Ineos Grenadier and Land Rover Defender

Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
too heavy,clumsy cant manouver .reversve easy with box etc and not tight enough turning ,too expensive. doesnt need all that to pull 3 to 4 tonne

i always think of something based on or around a current 100hp 4cyl.turbo 2wd with brakes all round with high geared final drives etc. etc needs mot and could run on derv. 2 or 3 seats as well of course ,and stowage space.
jcb could build one easy,like a compact fasttrack.

Be fair, I've never driven a Mog. But you sit at the side in one instead of in middle - means you can hang out the window for backing up a trailer 🤣
Forget towing 3-4t, hook up a 24' float 👍 Pickup body on the rear, decent road speeds, what's not to like



Or aye, buy a Fastrack
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
Be fair, I've never driven a Mog. But you sit at the side in one instead of in middle - means you can hang out the window for backing up a trailer 🤣
Forget towing 3-4t, hook up a 24' float 👍 Pickup body on the rear, decent road speeds, what's not to like



Or aye, buy a Fastrack
too big and heavy want something in between after all were talking about a defender replacement.....only....better.:sneaky:
24 ' trailler ok for a big abattoir run but not day to day around our roads get stuck some places with anything longer than 12.
turning circle v. important .
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
When one of em make summat like a HCPU, I'll look a it.

I need a truck that'll pull 3.5 tonne of cattle (or quite a bit more when no-ones looking), a 28' long sawmill, carry 2 round bales(4')/2 dumpys of cake or spent wrap/ a big square bale.
We load firewood with a telehandler bucket, and I expect it to be able to receive that.

Of the modern stuff, the nearest might've been a RHD single cab amorak (with uprated suspendies for the tow weight I recall being told by VW)
But they didn't do it.

I can't see how this mythical beast needs be £50k, but it isn't about the money.
I'd rather keep em new, but I've put a galv chassis on my 03 hcpu, because it delivers. Anything else would be a step back.
It also has to have an interior not (much) capable of being devoured by an errant Collie or Jack Russell. These kids go off to product design school but take no heed of the actual requirements of a working truck
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Better if built in Bridgend as planned to be built ?

can’t blame anyone for running their company as a business can you ? ….. i doubt you would have been happy to pay more for a Welsh built version ?

Inios are clearly trying to keep cost down so they can temp farmers etc away from the Jap and Chinese produced double cabs they have to compete with
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
im not bothered where what ive described above is made ,India, Japan or wherevever, would need to be sensibly priced and parts availiable for a long time, if so i would have 2 .
Mind you they wouldnt be suitable for use in Chelsea :unsure:,trouble is that makes the potential market smaller.
Trouble is theres too many people around wanting fancy looks and show off.
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
Why would anyone buy one over a hilux pickup?
Hilix has known high residuals,
Can be fixed at a variety of gargaes
parts can be bought at many places.
just as capable off road with correct tyres.

What will secondhand value be like on the grenadier? As said earlier... Will they even be making them in 5 years time.
Can you still buy that TATA thing that looked liked a 110? that was a great success!
 

Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Why would anyone buy one over a hilux pickup?
Hilix has known high residuals,
Can be fixed at a variety of gargaes
parts can be bought at many places.
just as capable off road with correct tyres.

What will secondhand value be like on the grenadier? As said earlier... Will they even be making them in 5 years time.
Can you still buy that TATA thing that looked liked a 110? that was a great success!

You mean a Santana (it was a Spanish built Series iii built under license from LR). And yes I think you can still get parts for them.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Better if built in Bridgend as planned to be built ?
It would be a bit more British but was an absurd idea from the start, and I said so. Ridiculously inefficient to cart all the parts from far and wide to the UK, outside the EU, and then cart the vast majority of assembled vehicles back into the EU again. At the very first announcement of the factory in Wales and the chassis and body panels made in Portugal with the axles made in Italy and the drivetrain in Germany, I realised that these people hadn't a clue. They were extremely fortunate to pick up part of Mercedes's factory almost tailor made for them, but I'm sure if both parties had planned it from the start, the chassis, engines and transmissions would also be made by Mercedes rather than BMW, ZF and a Portuguese chassis fabricator.
 

hally

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
cumbria
Why would anyone buy one over a hilux pickup?
Hilix has known high residuals,
Can be fixed at a variety of gargaes
parts can be bought at many places.
just as capable off road with correct tyres.

What will secondhand value be like on the grenadier? As said earlier... Will they even be making them in 5 years time.
Can you still buy that TATA thing that looked liked a 110? that was a great success!
6 cylinder engine, 8speed box, decent seats, I suppose residuals will depend on their reliability and support network…time will tell.
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
6 cylinder engine, 8speed box, decent seats, I suppose residuals will depend on their reliability and support network…time will tell.
Yes but do you need 6 cylinder engine and 8 speed box to do what you all want as a farm truck? was the old defender ever 6 cyl and 8 speed.... The new one is but you all hate that.
The grenadier wont but less than 40k , year old new defender will be that... I know what will be cheaper in the long run.
 

Ashtree

Member
Speaking of Chinese investment. The much heralded Nissan new battery plant investment in Sunderland, is 20% Nissan and 80% Chinese owned Envision.
Meanwhile in Germany, they are having no truck (pun intended) with Chinese investment in their EV industry. It’s mainly the German car industry putting up the cash, and some Swedish interests also involved.
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Yes but do you need 6 cylinder engine and 8 speed box to do what you all want as a farm truck? was the old defender ever 6 cyl and 8 speed.... The new one is but you all hate that.
The grenadier wont but less than 40k , year old new defender will be that... I know what will be cheaper in the long run.
Yes I would like 6 cyl and 8 speed box. Be grand as a tow motor.
 

hally

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
cumbria
Yes but do you need 6 cylinder engine and 8 speed box to do what you all want as a farm truck? was the old defender ever 6 cyl and 8 speed.... The new one is but you all hate that.
The grenadier wont but less than 40k , year old new defender will be that... I know what will be cheaper in the long run.
You can use that argument about every vehicle, do you need half the stuff on modern vehicles but it is nice to have it. I would say a powerful engine and good gearbox is more use to a farmer constantly hauling 3500kg about than somebody merely cruising up and down a motorway. The old defender argument is mute anyway when you see how the double cab replaced it on farm a long time before production ceased.
You have a 50 grand Amarok do you not but think farmers should make do with something a lot more basic🤔
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
You can use that argument about every vehicle, do you need half the stuff on modern vehicles but it is nice to have it. I would say a powerful engine and good gearbox is more use to a farmer constantly hauling 3500kg about than somebody merely cruising up and down a motorway. The old defender argument is mute anyway when you see how the double cab replaced it on farm a long time before production ceased.
You have a 50 grand Amarok do you not but think farmers should make do with something a lot more basic🤔
Yes I would think the Ford Ranger, DMax etc would knock a old model landrover 110 into the middle of next week on towing duties. They certainly a lot better tow motor than a Landrover 90 or TD5 disco ever was.
 

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