Ineos Grenadier

vantage

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Pembs
They will be starting deliveries just as probably the deepest worldwide recession for over a century hits. Let’s hope they can work through it. Farming may do OK though as long as the politicians don’t force crackpot schemes on us through imposing unnecessary regulations.
Remind me, where do you farm ?! :scratchhead:
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Remind me, where do you farm ?! :scratchhead:
By the end of this year we will all be in a whole new world and it is unlikely to be an easy one. Food will be in hellish short supply for only one example. The general public will have a decreased standard of living and poverty will increase across the world. It will be a reset that nobody could have foreseen or imagined a year ago even with the misery that Covid has brought upon us these last three years.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Living in one of the poorest parts of the world I see that there are always rich people with money to buy these fancy new toys.
For many people all over the world, this type of vehicle will be a tool for a job rather than a rich man’s toy. If commerce stalls, so does its suppliers and providers proportionately or worse.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
For many people all over the world, this type of vehicle will be a tool for a job rather than a rich man’s toy. If commerce stalls, so does its suppliers and providers proportionately or worse.
It’s really not a work vehicle though is it. Even if it’s a Land Rover copy.times have moved on there’s a lot better and cheaper on the market if they were serious about it being a work vehicle they’d have a pickup version. It’s just aimed at the Chelsea set and economic recession or not there’s still plenty of customers out there for it. I’d like one but I don’t think I’d like to get it dirty inside.
 

C.J

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Location
South Devon
It’s really not a work vehicle though is it. Even if it’s a Land Rover copy.times have moved on there’s a lot better and cheaper on the market if they were serious about it being a work vehicle they’d have a pickup version. It’s just aimed at the Chelsea set and economic recession or not there’s still plenty of customers out there for it. I’d like one but I don’t think I’d like to get it dirty inside.
If you watch the "building the Grenadier" videos you will see off road performance is not compromised - proven BMW engines , ZF gear boxes , Magna Steyr beam axles, galvanised ladder frame chassis etc.....Vehicles like this should be designed by engineers not accountants.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
It’s really not a work vehicle though is it. Even if it’s a Land Rover copy.times have moved on there’s a lot better and cheaper on the market if they were serious about it being a work vehicle they’d have a pickup version. It’s just aimed at the Chelsea set and economic recession or not there’s still plenty of customers out there for it. I’d like one but I don’t think I’d like to get it dirty inside.
There will be a pickup and chassis-cab version as soon as their current orders are fulfilled. I suspect that all good businesses they sell the highest margin and most expensive versions first while there is a pent-up demand.
I suspect that the Chelsea tractor set is smaller and less tolerant than people think for this kind of thing and most will go for the undoubtedly superior driving dynamics and luxury of the various Land Rover variants. You just don’t see a G-Class every day for instance, unless you happen to live on the same route as one takes.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
If you watch the "building the Grenadier" videos you will see off road performance is not compromised - proven BMW engines , ZF gear boxes , Magna Steyr beam axles, galvanised ladder frame chassis etc.....Vehicles like this should be designed by engineers not accountants.
Galvanised chassis? Not sure that’s correct. Not hot galvanised at any rate. Maybe painted a lot better than most separate chassis light vehicles but it remains to be seen. The axles are actually made by Carraro who make front axles and transmissions for tractors.
The engine would not be my choice for such a vehicle although it should be fine until it inevitably goes wrong, at which point you will find out just how easy they are to work on and how sensible the parts prices are…. not and not.
 

Michael S

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Arable Farmer
Location
Matching Green
I have my name on an early order place for a Grenadier. Unfortunately they have engineered it so well the kerb weight is 2.65-2.80t so the payload is well under a tonne which means the 5 seaters aren't VAT reclaimable unless you are brave or rich - I have two friends that run full fat Range Rovers and reclaim the VAT on the basis that they only use them for business use. I guess they can afford better accountants and lawyers than me. My own accountants think the position is undefendable even if you can offer up several privately owned cars in mitigation. So given two seats aren't enough for me I shall not be buying one now even though it looks an impressive vehicle.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I have my name on an early order place for a Grenadier. Unfortunately they have engineered it so well the kerb weight is 2.65-2.80t so the payload is well under a tonne which means the 5 seaters aren't VAT reclaimable unless you are brave or rich - I have two friends that run full fat Range Rovers and reclaim the VAT on the basis that they only use them for business use. I guess they can afford better accountants and lawyers than me. My own accountants think the position is undefendable even if you can offer up several privately owned cars in mitigation. So given two seats aren't enough for me I shall not be buying one now even though it looks an impressive vehicle.
If they make a double cab pickup they had better make sure it has a ton and a bit payload or it will be dead in the water. It MUST be classed as a commercial vehicle for any prospective business buyer in the vast number of countries that have such tax rules if they want to succeed. They surely know this as does every other such vehicle manufacturer.
 

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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