Ineos Grenadier

[vantage]

They will be starting deliveries just as probably the deepest worldwide recession for over a century hits. Let’s hope they can work through it. Farming may do OK though as long as the politicians don’t force crackpot schemes on us through imposing unnecessary regulations.

Remind me, where do you farm ?!

 

[NFI]

But the crucial question is.
Can you drive it without having to put your arm out of the window?

 

[sticky]

Had a look in one at Cheltenham races last week, looks very nice but a little out of my price range, that silver one is a 3lt 8 speed auto.

 

[Cowabunga]

Remind me, where do you farm ?!

By the end of this year we will all be in a whole new world and it is unlikely to be an easy one. Food will be in hellish short supply for only one example. The general public will have a decreased standard of living and poverty will increase across the world. It will be a reset that nobody could have foreseen or imagined a year ago even with the misery that Covid has brought upon us these last three years.

 

[Lowland1]

Living in one of the poorest parts of the world I see that there are always rich people with money to buy these fancy new toys.

 

[Cowabunga]

Living in one of the poorest parts of the world I see that there are always rich people with money to buy these fancy new toys.

For many people all over the world, this type of vehicle will be a tool for a job rather than a rich man’s toy. If commerce stalls, so does its suppliers and providers proportionately or worse.

 

[Lowland1]

For many people all over the world, this type of vehicle will be a tool for a job rather than a rich man’s toy. If commerce stalls, so does its suppliers and providers proportionately or worse.

It’s really not a work vehicle though is it. Even if it’s a Land Rover copy.times have moved on there’s a lot better and cheaper on the market if they were serious about it being a work vehicle they’d have a pickup version. It’s just aimed at the Chelsea set and economic recession or not there’s still plenty of customers out there for it. I’d like one but I don’t think I’d like to get it dirty inside.

 

[Chris F]

But the crucial question is.
Can you drive it without having to put your arm out of the window?

I‘ll test that out tomorrow.

 

[C.J]

It’s really not a work vehicle though is it. Even if it’s a Land Rover copy.times have moved on there’s a lot better and cheaper on the market if they were serious about it being a work vehicle they’d have a pickup version. It’s just aimed at the Chelsea set and economic recession or not there’s still plenty of customers out there for it. I’d like one but I don’t think I’d like to get it dirty inside.

If you watch the "building the Grenadier" videos you will see off road performance is not compromised - proven BMW engines , ZF gear boxes , Magna Steyr beam axles, galvanised ladder frame chassis etc.....Vehicles like this should be designed by engineers not accountants.

 

[Cowabunga]

It’s really not a work vehicle though is it. Even if it’s a Land Rover copy.times have moved on there’s a lot better and cheaper on the market if they were serious about it being a work vehicle they’d have a pickup version. It’s just aimed at the Chelsea set and economic recession or not there’s still plenty of customers out there for it. I’d like one but I don’t think I’d like to get it dirty inside.

There will be a pickup and chassis-cab version as soon as their current orders are fulfilled. I suspect that all good businesses they sell the highest margin and most expensive versions first while there is a pent-up demand.
I suspect that the Chelsea tractor set is smaller and less tolerant than people think for this kind of thing and most will go for the undoubtedly superior driving dynamics and luxury of the various Land Rover variants. You just don’t see a G-Class every day for instance, unless you happen to live on the same route as one takes.

 

[Bloders]

Is there??????

yes! i know some of them and they treat brand new defenders as id treat a wheelbarrow

 

[Cowabunga]

If you watch the "building the Grenadier" videos you will see off road performance is not compromised - proven BMW engines , ZF gear boxes , Magna Steyr beam axles, galvanised ladder frame chassis etc.....Vehicles like this should be designed by engineers not accountants.

Galvanised chassis? Not sure that’s correct. Not hot galvanised at any rate. Maybe painted a lot better than most separate chassis light vehicles but it remains to be seen. The axles are actually made by Carraro who make front axles and transmissions for tractors.
The engine would not be my choice for such a vehicle although it should be fine until it inevitably goes wrong, at which point you will find out just how easy they are to work on and how sensible the parts prices are…. not and not.

 

[spanners and hammers]

I‘ll test that out tomorrow.

how did you find the show it seemed very quiet to me

 

[Chris F]

how did you find the show it seemed very quiet to me

I found it busy at times. Often couldn’t walk round due to number of people. But was very patchy. I’d expect the numbers to be good. I bet they are glad the sun wasn’t shining. They deserved a bit of luck in fairness.

 

[Womblefarrier]

I see Sir Jim and Ineos are putting bids in for Chelsea football club, clever thinking on Their part as it would be a perfect place to advertise the grenadier! Good truck to negotiate the city’s streets.

 

[Farmer Roy]

You Aussies got so many perks!

none of our perks are because we are “farmers” though . . .

they are available to all eligible businesses, agriculture doesn’t get any special treatment compared to anyone else

 

[Still Farming]

yes! i know some of them and they treat brand new defenders as id treat a wheelbarrow

Crazy

 

[Michael S]

I have my name on an early order place for a Grenadier. Unfortunately they have engineered it so well the kerb weight is 2.65-2.80t so the payload is well under a tonne which means the 5 seaters aren't VAT reclaimable unless you are brave or rich - I have two friends that run full fat Range Rovers and reclaim the VAT on the basis that they only use them for business use. I guess they can afford better accountants and lawyers than me. My own accountants think the position is undefendable even if you can offer up several privately owned cars in mitigation. So given two seats aren't enough for me I shall not be buying one now even though it looks an impressive vehicle.

 

[Chris F]

But the crucial question is.
Can you drive it without having to put your arm out of the window?

Yes you fit in without having to stick arm out of window. Internally it is 6 inches wider.

 

[Cowabunga]

I have my name on an early order place for a Grenadier. Unfortunately they have engineered it so well the kerb weight is 2.65-2.80t so the payload is well under a tonne which means the 5 seaters aren't VAT reclaimable unless you are brave or rich - I have two friends that run full fat Range Rovers and reclaim the VAT on the basis that they only use them for business use. I guess they can afford better accountants and lawyers than me. My own accountants think the position is undefendable even if you can offer up several privately owned cars in mitigation. So given two seats aren't enough for me I shall not be buying one now even though it looks an impressive vehicle.

If they make a double cab pickup they had better make sure it has a ton and a bit payload or it will be dead in the water. It MUST be classed as a commercial vehicle for any prospective business buyer in the vast number of countries that have such tax rules if they want to succeed. They surely know this as does every other such vehicle manufacturer.