Inexperienced farm worker wage

[Highland Mule]

It's targeting those in disguised employment. The test is available online, but includes ltd and sole traders.

I don't think many "self employed" farm workers provide their own tools or bear financial risk?

Obviously I don't mean those that do actually run a business working for multiple customers. More those who are employed by one customer year round, but are told they're self employed to save the employer paying sick pay, NI, holiday pay etc.

Ah, I hadn't clocked it applied to self employed as well. Quite a few Ltd Co contractors are struggling with the tests through, it seems.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Ah, I hadn't clocked it applied to self employed as well. Quite a few Ltd Co contractors are struggling with the tests through, it seems.

It has the potential to eviscerate the agency HGV driver pool. Many blue chip clients just introducing blanket bans on ltd company drivers as risk is too great. This will see large numbers of drivers leaving the industry.

The knock on effect may be an increase in PAYE driver wages, with associated increased haulage costs. Will this translate to a direct rise in the cost of living?

 

[unlacedgecko]

Without being condescending because I am not, but there is a massive difference between for example hovering out the grain store to somebody going subsoiling. For example I could sit with you for 3 hours on a subsoiler showing you how it works. After 30 mins you'll be thinking why is he still here as this job is easy. Then without you knowing you loose a point off the bottom of the leg and don't notice and carry on all day, by which time you have ruined a £250 leg and if its a 3 leg machine have not subsoiled 1/3 of the area you have covered because the point fell off. So the point is that farm work is intensive because you need to be on the ball checking constantly what you are doing is being done properly. In that instance you've probably burnt £250 worth of fuel and still expect to be paid your £120 assuming 10 hours at £12/hour so thats £620 spent and only got 2/3 of the what I wanted to doing.
So the next day do I send you back out into the same field with the repair leg and you do it all again to get the 1/3 you missed resulting it even more cost?

People that come to work on farms thinking its an easy life being paid to sit on your arse with the occasional bit of manual labour, are the ones that don't last and fail.

That's what being an employer is all about. You are profiting from the employees labour. The risk of damage/cost of training is the trade off.

 

[Highland Mule]

It has the potential to eviscerate the agency HGV driver pool. Many blue chip clients just introducing blanket bans on ltd company drivers as risk is too great. This will see large numbers of drivers leaving the industry.

The knock on effect may be an increase in PAYE driver wages, with associated increased haulage costs. Will this translate to a direct rise in the cost of living?

I guess it will go to Agencies having staff on zero hours contracts then. No idea how that will filter through to prices.

 

[unlacedgecko]

I guess it will go to Agencies having staff on zero hours contracts then. No idea how that will filter through to prices.

Yes, but rates will have to increase to reflect loss of ltd company benefits. Also, drivers working for more than one agency will have emergency tax on subsequent earnings. They'll get it back at year end, but doesn't help cashflow.

What I don't understand is how drivers can no longer be ltd company but it's legal for agencies to pay them through umbrella companies?

 

[Highland Mule]

Yes, but rates will have to increase to reflect loss of ltd company benefits. Also, drivers working for more than one agency will have emergency tax on subsequent earnings. They'll get it back at year end, but doesn't help cashflow.

What I don't understand is how drivers can no longer be ltd company but it's legal for agencies to pay them through umbrella companies?

No idea, sorry. Starting to see some contract opportunities coming through with two rates quoted - inside and outside, in advance of the client determination. I'm going to stay Ltd as long as I can.

 

[unlacedgecko]

No idea, sorry. Starting to see some contract opportunities coming through with two rates quoted - inside and outside, in advance of the client determination. I'm going to stay Ltd as long as I can.

I'll stay ltd or exit the industry. Luckily.ive a few private clients. Fück the agencies

 

[D14]

That's what being an employer is all about. You are profiting from the employees labour. The risk of damage/cost of training is the trade off.

Not really you expect accidents and mishaps as we all make them even after years of experience but some people just don't get it and will never get it and those are the ones I am referring to. Over the years we've had the misfortune of two of them so I think we've got off lightly. The last one was quite frankly dangerous and had he stayed within agriculture i genuinely believe he would of accidentally done himself in due to a silly mistake. Remember a serious accident and you'll be the one in a court room, so even if you can demonstrate you've provided training, you will still be held accountable for whatever happens.