Infertile tups

westwards

Member
I was at an AI day last week with a few of us getting work done and one young guy had 3 tups from the same farm all infertile !

What is wrong is it something in the feeding or just the amount they are fed ? They were BFL and from a top breeder !!
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
He will probably get £30/40,000 for blackie tups in the next few days. So yes he is still a top breeder and folk will still buy his stock.

All good then. The basic ability to get ewes in lamb is obviously far less important than getting them looking bonny.👍

I’m really struggling to understand why increasing numbers are choosing to take control of their own breeding ewes, rather than buy in the descendants of such forward thinking. :scratchhead: 🤐
 
Overfeeding of concentrates causes organ damage leading to permanent damage of organs such as testes and kidneys due to their labyrinth of fine tubules and to blood vessels in the testes supplying the vital sperm production tissue. A change in diet may save these rams, but don't expect them to be back to 100%.

Excessive overfeeding can lead to liver failure resulting in sudden death. In such instances useful semen cannot be retrieved directly from the testes of the dead ram while still warm, as the semen has very low viability having been produced abnormal and/or "cooked" in waiting.
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
Overfeeding of concentrates causes organ damage leading to permanent damage of organs such as testes and kidneys due to their labyrinth of fine tubules and to blood vessels in the testes supplying the vital sperm production tissue. A change in diet may save these rams, but don't expect them to be back to 100%.

Excessive overfeeding can lead to liver failure resulting in sudden death. In such instances useful semen cannot be retrieved directly from the testes of the dead ram while still warm, as the semen has very low viability having been produced abnormal and/or "cooked" in waiting.
Let them carry on stuffing the fat b4stards then and those on more forage based systems will win in the end 👍🏻
 

Llmmm

Member
Let them carry on stuffing the fat b4stards then and those on more forage based systems will win in the end 👍🏻
What usually happens is people do cop on and stop buying from these breeders then you see a dispersal sale when there getting hard to sell rams at big money
 

Llmmm

Member
was told by a regional chairman years ago turnover in the charollais world is av about 5-8 years ,
Ive never found charollais to be badly effected by overfeeding i think there high growth rate there able to handle it.Texel and beltex are a different story death in first winter is usually guaranteed
 
I would think it is more likely to be something in the feed

It is. It's too much energy. Simply omnivores can handle it, but ruminants can't.
Let them carry on stuffing the fat b4stards then and those on more forage based systems will win in the end 👍🏻

Such a divergent system from the reality of farming commercially will be lucky to last beyond the next big meat price trough. Little ever changes while an industry has high prices resulting in extra money sloshing around in the pockets of spenders.

The future of commercial pastoral farming can be summed up in the word EFFICIENCY, because of GHG emissions, environmental leakage and profitability. Relying on the future genetic direction of herds and flocks by how they are presented at sale time won't cut it.
 

Cowslip

Member
Mixed Farmer
Went to a ram sale yesterday and was very disappointed 75% shouldn't have even been there in the first place I went in the pens for a closer look and half what I had picked on closer inspection were struck off my list. Couldn't believe what other people were buying. I came home with 2 I had picked out and would have struggled to get another. Hopefully they are not infertile as have not been overfed.
 

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