Insect Protein is Vegan

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
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Devon
Being an “ethical vegan” is a contradiction of terms as far as I’m concerned.

I have a friend who calls herself vegan so as not to cause a fuss because it is much easier than trying to explain that she only wants to eat things that she feels are 'ethical'.
I guess she might describe herself an 'ethical vegan' and you couldn't wish to know a nicer, more thoughtful and understanding person.
 

Muddyroads

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NFFN Member
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Exeter, Devon
Still nothing ethical about the wasteful life of a vegan, never mind the environmental impact. I have no problem at all with people who choose not to eat meat for emotional, taste or dietary reasons, but there are a host of good reasons not to be vegan from an environmental perspective. The single biggest cause of micro plastics in the ocean are washing machines with synthetic clothes, yet vegans won’t wear wool for example.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Still nothing ethical about the wasteful life of a vegan, never mind the environmental impact. I have no problem at all with people who choose not to eat meat for emotional, taste or dietary reasons, but there are a host of good reasons not to be vegan from an environmental perspective. The single biggest cause of micro plastics in the ocean are washing machines with synthetic clothes, yet vegans won’t wear wool for example.
There is nothing ethical about being a vegan but as there isn't a clearly defined 'ethical diet', it is logical for someone that wants to be ethical to call their diet vegan rather than explain that they may eat meat if it meets their definition of what they consider ethical.
A simple example would be a wish to only eat free range eggs for ethical reasons. It is easier to say you don't eat eggs rather than cause the fuss of checking with cafes etc, what eggs they use.
I consider that to be a perfectly honourable position.
 

kfpben

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Mid Hampshire
My wife and I went to a cafe in town yesterday following our covid booster. Two little girls around 7 & 5 go up and look at the cake stand next to us.

After a bit of pointing and excitement at the cake possibilities on offer one says to the other ‘Well I’m definitely not having the gingerbread. It says it’s vegan so it must be horrible! Yuck!’. The smaller girl nodded in agreement.

Made us giggle!
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
What is becoming clear that "Vegan" is a very fluid concept. They have created a label that means everything and nothing at the same time. They have different reasons for being a vegan and people are being different vegans. They have made it trendy though.

I'm just not sure who "they" are.
Fluid, alright. I was recently questioning a woman on the internet who didn't want to rub eggwhite on her skin "as I'm vegan" but was using her partners semen as a substitute

I suppose it does come from nuts but I did feel compelled to discover her logic in choosing one over the other on a "because I'm vegan" basis 🤔
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Fluid, alright. I was recently questioning a woman on the internet who didn't want to rub eggwhite on her skin "as I'm vegan" but was using her partners semen as a substitute

I suppose it does come from nuts but I did feel compelled to discover her logic in choosing one over the other on a "because I'm vegan" basis 🤔

I believe they think it is a matter of consent. I guess her partner didn't object.

When confronted by accusations that farmers allow their livestock to be 'raped', I asked for any examples of informed consent within nature.

They didn't give any.
 

penntor

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Livestock Farmer
Location
sw devon
Fluid, alright. I was recently questioning a woman on the internet who didn't want to rub eggwhite on her skin "as I'm vegan" but was using her partners semen as a substitute

I suppose it does come from nuts but I did feel compelled to discover her logic in choosing one over the other on a "because I'm vegan" basis 🤔
I had a conversation with a vegan female once on a similar subject, won't go into details, her response was that true veganism is about permission and non exploitation. Therefore if she had the animals permission to eat it she would.
I now follow this, when I eat meat I always ask the meat on my plate if it is OK to eat it, if it does not reply with a no then I assume it is an affirmative and I go ahead and eat it.
 

Bald Rick

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Fluid, alright. I was recently questioning a woman on the internet who didn't want to rub eggwhite on her skin "as I'm vegan" but was using her partners semen as a substitute

I suppose it does come from nuts but I did feel compelled to discover her logic in choosing one over the other on a "because I'm vegan" basis 🤔


This on the other hand, not so much

 

TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
I believe they think it is a matter of consent. I guess her partner didn't object.

When confronted by accusations that farmers allow their livestock to be 'raped', I asked for any examples of informed consent within nature.

They didn't give any.
On several occasions I have used a similar approach, usually referring to the many female animals that either resist the male advances or in the case of lions, are dominated etc. the usual responses are along philosophical lines about how having evolved a conscience & morals means we have a greater duty to protect others...
 

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