Interesting right or wrong

[Andrew]

only if they are single wheeled though and not a trailer

But that's the point. Does the Constructions and Use definition of minibus state it has to be a powered vehicle?

If not, and it seats more than 9 people, then it's a minibus. Regardless of whether it's a trailer or not.
In which case, if it's single wheeled, the rules apply.

Pg 62 GTMR does not specifically exclude trailers.

• that tyre age is recorded and monitored for the entire fleet on the tyre management system and that tyres aged more than 10 years old must not be used on the front steered axle(s) of HGV, bus or coach or any single wheels fitted to a minibus (9 to 16 passenger seats)

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

is a agricutural trailer classed as that

No, agricultural is out of scope,

 

[roscoe erf]

But that's the point. Does the Constructions and Use definition of minibus state it has to be a powered vehicle?

If not, and it seats more than 9 people, then it's a minibus. Regardless of whether it's a trailer or not.
In which case, if it's single wheeled, the rules apply.

yes it has to be a vehicle
no they are to be a vehicle not a trailer
Carriage of passengers in trailers
No trailer may be used for the conveyance of passengers for hire or reward. Broken-down vehicles carrying passengers may be towed provided they are not drawn faster than 30mph and the vehicles are attached by a rigid draw bar.

 

[roscoe erf]

No, agricultural is out of scope,

i know i wondered if he did

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

i know i wondered if he did

I don't think so, as there is no minimum tread depth for agricultural trailer, so I think date codes will not apply, and agricultural stuff don't have to have an annual test,
so my thoughts is NO

 

[Andrew]

no they are to be a vehicle not a trailer
Carriage of passengers in trailers
No trailer may be used for the conveyance of passengers for hire or reward. Broken-down vehicles carrying passengers may be towed provided they are not drawn faster than 30mph and the vehicles are attached by a rigid draw bar.

In DVSA language Vehicle can mean trailer as well.

As I said before, I think the CLA is wrong. However some copper may not agree, so they're saving they're members hassle by telling them about it.

 

[snipe]

Is a beaters cart classed as a mini bus for any reason?

 

[Andrew]

Is a beaters cart classed as a mini bus for any reason?

It's not. But some copper who knows a minibus has 9-16 seats may ARGUE it was, because he doesn't know differently, and insist on doing you because it's got an old tyre.

A little bit of knowledge is dangerous. And there is a LOT of road law to learn - a lot of policeman will admit they don't know anything about the road laws of ag.

 

[quattro]

So does 10 year rule only apply to steer axle on hgvs

 

[Andrew]

So does 10 year rule only apply to steer axle on hgvs

• tyres aged more than 10 years old must not be used on the front steered axle(s) of HGV, bus or coach or any single wheels fitted to a minibus (9 to 16 passenger seats)

 

[roscoe erf]

So does 10 year rule only apply to steer axle on hgvs

no front axles not steer

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

It's not. But some copper who knows a minibus has 9-16 seats may ARGUE it was, because he doesn't know differently, and insist on doing you because it's got an old tyre.

A little bit of knowledge is dangerous. And there is a LOT of road law to learn - a lot of policeman will admit they don't know anything about the road laws of ag.

I would think it could be classed as a mini bus, as it is carrying paying passengers, all be it not directly, it will be factored in on the shoot, and this may also apply to tractors pulling tractors front tyres pulling it, same may go for shows and other public events where trailers are ferrying people about like at some airports
It will have to go to court the prove whether it is law or not

 

[Andrew]

I would think it could be classed as a mini bus, as it is carrying paying passengers, all be it not directly, it will be factored in on the shoot, and this may also apply to tractors pulling tractors front tyres pulling it, same may go for shows and other public events where trailers are ferrying people about like at some airports
It will have to go to court the prove whether it is law or not

My point exactly.

 

[roscoe erf]

I would think it could be classed as a mini bus, as it is carrying paying passengers, all be it not directly, it will be factored in on the shoot, and this may also apply to tractors pulling tractors front tyres pulling it, same may go for shows and other public events where trailers are ferrying people about like at some airports
It will have to go to court the prove whether it is law or not

considering that agriculture is never mentioned in the documentation or in the umpteen consultation papers i was sent i doubt it will need proving in law

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

considering that agriculture is never mentioned in the documentation or in the umpteen consultation papers i was sent i doubt it will need proving in law

Is a shoot classed as agricultural or commercial , ? That will be the deciding factor

 

[roscoe erf]

Is a shoot classed as agricultural or commercial , ? That will be the deciding factor

it wouldn't be commercial if it did they would not be allowed any passengers in a trailer full stop

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

it wouldn't be commercial if it did they would not be allowed any passengers in a trailer full stop

And how would a recreational sport be classed as agricultural

 

[betweenthelines]

is a agricutural trailer classed as that

A passenger carry vehicle would be classed as a passenger carrying vehicle. Self propelled and fitted with seats, if you need further clarification.

An agricultural trailer would be classed as an agricultural trailer. For clarification, that would be a trailer towed by an agricultural tractor for purposes agricultural.

 

[roscoe erf]

And how would a recreational sport be classed as agricultural

i don't know how would a recreational sport be classed as agricultural