Interesting video about ag Chems and health

[melted welly]

 

[deleted user 837354]

Didn't watch the video but I can tell you one thing I am near certain of- we are definitely over-pathologizing a lot of things that we should be considering as typical/normal variations in terms of neurodivergence.

There is no real rule book that states what 'normal' is when it comes to a persons mindset or behaviours and the like. In reality I suspect the majority of us are in fact 'on the spectrum' of something somewhere and if you managed to test the bulk of the adult population nobody or rather very few people would get a perfect score of zero. The main difference is in how readily individuals can adapt to cope with changes in their circumstances and daily routines. In my view, the resources should be spent on helping those individuals who are clearly experiencing a lot of difficulty with their condition, not trying to diagnose and label every single person who comes through the door.

I've had a lot of contact with this kind of thing through various avenues and it is also a common topic of conversation in parenting circles. It makes me begin to wonder if what is going on is actually really optimal for anyone involved in some cases.

Of course the rates of diagnosis are going up- because we're testing more kids for it. We're also seeing a great deal of of changes at individual, family and societal level that I think are unhelpful for very young children in their critical stages of development.

TL;DR I don't think agchems are the real issue here.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Didn't watch the video but I can tell you one thing I am near certain of- we are definitely over-pathologizing a lot of things that we should be considering as typical/normal variations in terms of neurodivergence.

There is no real rule book that states what 'normal' is when it comes to a persons mindset or behaviours and the like. In reality I suspect the majority of us are in fact 'on the spectrum' of something somewhere and if you managed to test the bulk of the adult population nobody or rather very few people would get a perfect score of zero. The main difference is in how readily individuals can adapt to cope with changes in their circumstances and daily routines. In my view, the resources should be spent on helping those individuals who are clearly experiencing a lot of difficulty with their condition, not trying to diagnose and label every single person who comes through the door.

I've had a lot of contact with this kind of thing through various avenues and it is also a common topic of conversation in parenting circles. It makes me begin to wonder if what is going on is actually really optimal for anyone involved in some cases.

Of course the rates of diagnosis are going up- because we're testing more kids for it. We're also seeing a great deal of of changes at individual, family and societal level that I think are unhelpful for very young children in their critical stages of development.

TL;DR I don't think agchems are the real issue here.

It's climate change.... All the snowflakes are melting.

 

[melted welly]

Didn't watch the video

Clearly.

Behaviour was a small part of the video and I found his linking every modern ill to glyphosate tenuous. the insistence that one can eat yourself out of toxic relationships I thought also somewhat far fetched, however I found it interesting.

I find my mood can be affected differently by different foods,

I don’t know about others, but I don’t exactly see fairies, rainbows and unicorns coming out the spray booms and having dabbled with “alternative” (not organic) growing regimes to ag chem based, it is possible to achieve, whilst producing a stronger plant.

 

[melted welly]

It's climate change.... All the snowflakes are melting.

Didn’t watch it either then?

 

[melted welly]

You lads ever read books or just peruse the covers?

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

We're just dumb unedumacated peasants. Reading is for the elites.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Clearly.

Behaviour was a small part of the video and I found his linking every modern ill to glyphosate tenuous. the insistence that one can eat yourself out of toxic relationships I thought also somewhat far fetched, however I found it interesting.

I find my mood can be affected differently by different foods,

I don’t know about others, but I don’t exactly see fairies, rainbows and unicorns coming out the spray booms and having dabbled with “alternative” (not organic) growing regimes to ag chem based, it is possible to achieve, whilst producing a stronger plant.

The idea that we can feed the world without modern agrochemicals and fertilisers is patently false. Food prices would rocket and bankrupt the poor and leave them starving. If you want a poor prognostic indicator of health and wellbeing poverty and hunger will be right up there amongst the top ten causes.

The modern food chain is a miracle- there is no other word for it. I see the endless supplies of fruit and veg and foods in any supermarket, all top quality and available 365 days a year basically as being a serious win for humanity. I only hope it can be replicated in full in all the countries of the world and extended to all people in any society because there are still people living on this planet who are malnourished.

Of course rates of autism diagnoses etc are rising- because we're looking for it more and more whereas previously it would have simply gone unreported or folk would have been simply labelled as disabled or problematic or even thrown in asylums which is effectively all they were.

If you want people to take your views into proper consideration you would do well to extend folk the courtesy to type out whatever pertinent points you think the video raised- not everyone has the time to spank 15-20 minutes whilst hoping to catch the useful parts.

 

[melted welly]

We're just dumb unedumacated peasants. Reading is for the elites.

That’s why I watch videos

 

[melted welly]

If you want people to take your views into proper consideration you would do well to extend folk the courtesy to type out whatever pertinent points you think the video raised- not everyone has the time to spank 15-20 minutes whilst hoping to catch the useful parts.

You’ve probably spent more time than the length of the video typing your bloody replies!

 

[deleted user 837354]

You’ve probably spent more time than the length of the video typing your bloody replies!

I very much doubt that.

 

[Spencer]

We're just dumb unedumacated peasants. Reading is for the elites.

I can’t read or write.. but I can drive a tractor

 

[Spencer]

I find my mood can be affected differently by different foods,

I find my mood is affected by the weather

 

[Chae1]

You’ve probably spent more time than the length of the video typing your bloody replies!

Could you do a short summary of the video!?

I can't be bothered watching it all. No quad tracks!

 

[Kiwi Pete]

That’s why I watch videos

No need to, if you already know everything about everything.

 

[melted welly]

Could you do a short summary of the video!?

I can't be bothered watching it all. No quad tracks!

Sorry, I can’t, just don’t have the time old boy, too busy on the YouTube thread slagging off Olly’s Farm.

 

[delilah]

No need to, if you already know everything about everything.

Honed my dogma years ago, has made life so much simpler, saved me countless hours not having to fanny about considering other folks views

 

[PhilipB]

Didn't watch the video but I can tell you one thing I am near certain of- we are definitely over-pathologizing a lot of things that we should be considering as typical/normal variations in terms of neurodivergence.

There is no real rule book that states what 'normal' is when it comes to a persons mindset or behaviours and the like. In reality I suspect the majority of us are in fact 'on the spectrum' of something somewhere and if you managed to test the bulk of the adult population nobody or rather very few people would get a perfect score of zero. The main difference is in how readily individuals can adapt to cope with changes in their circumstances and daily routines. In my view, the resources should be spent on helping those individuals who are clearly experiencing a lot of difficulty with their condition, not trying to diagnose and label every single person who comes through the door.

I've had a lot of contact with this kind of thing through various avenues and it is also a common topic of conversation in parenting circles. It makes me begin to wonder if what is going on is actually really optimal for anyone involved in some cases.

Of course the rates of diagnosis are going up- because we're testing more kids for it. We're also seeing a great deal of of changes at individual, family and societal level that I think are unhelpful for very young children in their critical stages of development.

TL;DR I don't think agchems are the real issue here.

Yes and no.

I understand that if you take non-verbal autism (person never learns to talk) the diagnostic parameters don't change over time. So the sharp rise can't really be explained by "better diagnosis"

But I don't think it's primarily agrichemicals, given the vast proliferation of chemicals oozing out of every day life, flame- retardants, cleaners, "new car smell", Teflon - all that stuff. If it's chemicals at all.

 

[Teacake]

Interesting, thanks for sharing.