International 895 Short Engine needed.

[Two Tone]

Hi all,

Have a good fiend who has an International 895 with serious engine problems. One of the easiest and quickest solutions would be to find a replacement Short engine for it. The rest of the tractor is so smart, you'd be hard pushed to find a better one. He needs the tractor back running asap

Does anybody know a supplier of Short engines for this tractor?

 

[Two Tone]

Here is a picture of it

 

[essexpete]

How many hours had that done?
You do with some advice from the real IH mechanics as to what will fit. The 895 has the 268 Neus motor in it which shares a lot of components with the similar sizes in that family.


Perhaps this firm might help?

http://www.intatracuk.com/

 

[Mursal]

Secondhand block for the Case I'm afraid and work from there.
Pull the fan off and it will be safe to run it on the ground to check oil pressure, coolant etc.
They would be plentiful in the breakers here, just to get a good one, might be harder.

 

[Two Tone]

How many hours had that done?
You do with some advice from the real IH mechanics as to what will fit. The 895 has the 268 Neus motor in it which shares a lot of components with the similar sizes in that family.


Perhaps this firm might help?

http://www.intatracuk.com/

Thanks @essexpete. She has done about 5,500 hours. I think that Intatrac actually supplied the tractor about a year ago and to be fair, they are really trying to help. It is a beautiful example of this classic tractor and the owner is an IH fanatic. I think that Intatrac may have a replacement engine, but I don't think it is a refurbished Short engine. Might be wrong though.

I believe that Intatac could pressure test the engine to try to find out where it is leaking water into the sump and why it now won't start. It makes a terrible hissing noise when we try to turn it over on the starter motor and it won't turn over fast enough.
It isn't the 1st time this engine has suffered from this problem and maybe it is time to start with everything completely refurbed. The head on the existing engine will have to come off again and it might make sense to abandon it all this time.

The point is that the owner is becoming very desperate to get it going asap and I wondered if fitting a Short engine here (it lives on this farm) might be quicker and cheaper than it having to go back to Lydbury.

I know that if it was a Perkins or Ford engine, he would be spoilt for choice in getting one. But we don't know of any International Short engine suppliers. That is why I am trying to help him and why I have posed the question.

 

[SuperTwo]

Could be something as simple as a porous liner. I think it would be crazy to pull the whole engine out without trying to diagnose the problem first.

 

[Kevtherev]

Startin tractors may be able to help?

 

[Two Tone]

Could be something as simple as a porous liner. I think it would be crazy to pull the whole engine out without trying to diagnose the problem first.

I would agree but for the fact that it envolves a lot of time, professional help, not to mention parts and might be one hell of a lot more serious. Especially with that horrible hissing sound.

However, refitting a short engine is something we could easily do here, very quickly and get Bob going again much sooner.

As this isn’t the first time this engine has had this problem, we are sort of losing confidence in it. Bloody shame though as even the engine looks so smart from the outside. And being German, you’d think were bombproof.

 

[deere66]

Ron Greet isn't far from you
http://rongreet.co.uk/
or across the water
http://www.tractorbreakers.com/

 

[SuperTwo]

I would agree but for the fact that it envolves a lot of time, professional help, not to mention parts and might be one hell of a lot more serious. Especially with that horrible hissing sound.

However, refitting a short engine is something we could easily do here, very quickly and get Bob going again much sooner.

As this isn’t the first time this engine has had this problem, we are sort of losing confidence in it. Bloody shame though as even the engine looks so smart from the outside. And being German, you’d think were bombproof.

They generally are quite reliable engines having said that ive yet to see a brand of engine that doesnt give trouble in one way or another.
Intatrak will be your best bet for a refurbed engine if you have your heart set on going down that route.
One from a breaker could be just as bad as the one you have now.

 

[Two Tone]

They generally are quite reliable engines having said that ive yet to see a brand of engine that doesnt give trouble in one way or another.
Intatrak will be your best bet for a refurbed engine if you have your heart set on going down that route.
One from a breaker could be just as bad as the one you have now.

Reckon you are probably right. Thanks. Intatrac are really trying to help and their option gives more confidence.
Will see if there are any more suggestions on this thread, but theirs is probably the best.

I think poor Bob has had enough of it all and just wants to get it done asap now. It can be very worrying when you absolutely rely on machinery such as this to be able to keep going.

 

[Mursal]

The hissing noise could be coming from gases passing by the injector?
If you click on this link and hover over the injector hole in the cylinder head you will see the the copper sheath or sleeve the injector seals into .
Hopefully its leaking allowing coolant into the cylinder and gasses past the injector.

Don't try and crank if there is coolant on top of the piston or you will do more damage inside.

Some of the International lads will know more.

 

[Mursal]

Sleeves/inserts/sheaths (different terms for the same thing) are easily obtainable and easily changed, hope this helps ...........


But hold tight for someone to confirm they can leak coolant in that engine?

 

[SuperTwo]

Sleeves/inserts/sheaths (different terms for the same thing) are easily obtainable and easily changed, hope this helps ...........


But hold tight for someone to confirm they can leak coolant in that engine?

Why didnt i think of that
Yes the injector sleeves pass through the coolant passages.

 

[Two Tone]

Thanks all!

Yes it all makes sense.
The tractor has been using water for the last few weeks and although still showing the water temp at the half way position, it is higher than it was.

Not much, but some water was getting into the sump and showing as a grey scum on the dipstick. Intatrac had pressure tested the engine when they repaired it last time (Sump was full of water that time!) and were very confident that the head and head gasket were OK

They suggested that we bypass the oil cooler at the bottom of the oil filter (with a looped pipe), in case the seal had gone and was letting water into the oil here. No it wasn't and this was proved by no oil leaking out of the water ports while the engine was running.

Next day the tractor would not start and this terrible hissing noise starts to happen as it slowly turns over. I suspect the engine is Hydraulic-ed

After a few days, Intatrac suggest drain oil and change, drain water and (hoping that any water on top of a piston has got past the rings) see if tractor will turn over on the starter. It does (slowly) but with a terrible hissing noise on one cylinder

Could it be that the water originally leaked past the copper sleeve and that this sleeve has now failed even further to allow air to be sucked in and escape out as the piston goes up and down?

 

[Mursal]

Could it be that the water originally leaked past the copper sleeve and that this sleeve has now failed even further to allow air to be sucked in and escape out as the piston goes up and down?

Yes exactly .............
Hopefully anyway, as it will be an easy fix. Even to check it out wont take that long. Crank it over by hand (screwdriver on the ring gear) before you hit the starter, just to be on the safe side.

Let us know how you get on .............

 

[Two Tone]

Yes exactly .............
Hopefully anyway, as it will be an easy fix. Even to check it out wont take that long. Crank it over by hand (screwdriver on the ring gear) before you hit the starter, just to be on the safe side.

Let us know how you get on .............

Will do.

 

[Two Tone]

Makes even more sense now too......
Sometimes during the summer, when this tractor was first started, there was a clicking noise as if there was a leak from one of the exhaust manifold gaskets. I would now bet it was that copper sleeve leaking when the engine was cold.

 

[multi power]

No idea if this is any help but I know of a international 395 with engine trouble, hard to start, slow turning over, missing and lot of smoke, filling sump with diesel, been apart already, originally water was getting into sump

 

[Rs chunk]

Makes even more sense now too......
Sometimes during the summer, when this tractor was first started, there was a clicking noise as if there was a leak from one of the exhaust manifold gaskets. I would now bet it was that copper sleeve leaking when the engine was cold.

Copper sleeve will be a lot cheaper fix than that changing engine even if the head is damaged that will be cheaper than taking out engine. If you fix your own engine you know what you have as buying a used one who knows