International hydro 84

Hello all I've got a hydro 84 in my collection that is brilliant its done hundreds of hours mowing(2drum) baling with jd 456, and haybob etc it also sits on the log splitter and has done some ploughing,
I carnt praise the transmission highly enough must have been fantastic when new but obliviously easily neglected,

Anyway a mate has also just bought a hydro 84 as he was so impressed with mine for mowing and baling hay so I want to change the backend oil & filters in both tractors any ideas where the level plug or dipstick is as I carnt find anything??

Also would be interested in your experience with the ih hydro series,

Many thanks

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Location
scotland
Memory a bit sketchy on them be 25yrs since I had anything to do with them but drain plugs are under the transmission as normal there will be 3 off them for different compartments, the filters are on the left hand side behind rear wheel in a round bowl with one bolt in the centre (there are two of these bowls on a hydro one is forward more under the steps ) inside the bowl there is also a gauze ensure it is clean an refitted the way it came out! Also the square o-ring sealing the filter bowl be very careful to replace it correctly as it can cause problems eg suck air. The dipstick for oil level is at the drivers heel in the cab and should be checked after engine been running for a few mins. To bleed system after oil change start engine run at 12-1500rpm and try and turn steering wheel side to side (it will be stiff ) should only take 2mins at most
 
Memory a bit sketchy on them be 25yrs since I had anything to do with them but drain plugs are under the transmission as normal there will be 3 off them for different compartments, the filters are on the left hand side behind rear wheel in a round bowl with one bolt in the centre (there are two of these bowls on a hydro one is forward more under the steps ) inside the bowl there is also a gauze ensure it is clean an refitted the way it came out! Also the square o-ring sealing the filter bowl be very careful to replace it correctly as it can cause problems eg suck air. The dipstick for oil level is at the drivers heel in the cab and should be checked after engine been running for a few mins. To bleed system after oil change start engine run at 12-1500rpm and try and turn steering wheel side to side (it will be stiff ) should only take 2mins at most
Memory a bit sketchy on them be 25yrs since I had anything to do with them but drain plugs are under the transmission as normal there will be 3 off them for different compartments, the filters are on the left hand side behind rear wheel in a round bowl with one bolt in the centre (there are two of these bowls on a hydro one is forward more under the steps ) inside the bowl there is also a gauze ensure it is clean an refitted the way it came out! Also the square o-ring sealing the filter bowl be very careful to replace it correctly as it can cause problems eg suck air. The dipstick for oil level is at the drivers heel in the cab and should be checked after engine been running for a few mins. To bleed system after oil change start engine run at 12-1500rpm and try and turn steering wheel side to side (it will be stiff ) should only take 2mins at most


Many thanks for a very useful reply, we changed the oil/filters in my mates tractor today, couldn't find the dipstick because it had been knocked off and the fitting blanked of the joys of someone else's bodge! Anyway swapped the dipstick with mine just to get the level for time been, to be fair the oil that came out of it and filters/strainers were all as clean as a whistle!
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This is the work in progress tractor, not going for a restoration just sort it out mechanically, paint the wheels/wings&bonnet then it'll be ideal for the hay job,

Would be interested to here about anyone else's hydro that still in working order
 
Location
scotland
Still well worth changing though rusty then u know its spot on. These tractors were well ahead of there time when new and people were scared of then being unconventional so not too many of them were sold but good machines all the same, a lot of the hydro skid units were fitted to forestry forwarders back in the day mc3
 

Yorkshire lad

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
YO42
Hello all I've got a hydro 84 in my collection that is brilliant its done hundreds of hours mowing(2drum) baling with jd 456, and haybob etc it also sits on the log splitter and has done some ploughing,
I carnt praise the transmission highly enough must have been fantastic when new but obliviously easily neglected,

Anyway a mate has also just bought a hydro 84 as he was so impressed with mine for mowing and baling hay so I want to change the backend oil & filters in both tractors any ideas where the level plug or dipstick is as I carnt find anything??

Also would be interested in your experience with the ih hydro series,

Many thanks

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We have a hydro 84 ours has the flat deck cab, it lives on a straw blower and is used every day been very reliable .
It does take a bit of starting on frosty mornings we have told that ours doesn't have the correct starter fitted apparently hydro's had a larger starter .
Imo for jobs with a mechanical transmission where you ride clutch like straws blowers feeder boxes ect they are ideal .
Neighbour ran on a sugar beet an spud harvester an IH 440 baler he said it was a backward step going back to conventional gear box when international stopped making them, I suppose they where ahead of their time an early version of cvt transmission .
I wonder what the difference in price was between hydro and standard gear box when new ? as % will it be much different then todays cvt and conventional transmissions.
 

laich

Member
Back in the late eighties, the local maltings, had a hydro. It had a massive steel frame. mounted on the back. It was used to shunt empty railway wagons, back when they had a railway between their two malting plants. It's all done by artic now. If I remember correctly, it eventually split the transmission casing, due to the strain it was subjected to.

Wish I had a camera phone 25 yrs ago!
 
@Yorkshire lad nice to know yours still works for a living, funnily enough both mine and my mates start pretty much first time without heat just set the stop to the cold start position only the coldest of days need heat,

Would be interesting to compare prices as you say

@laich that sounds a interesting thing must have had a carful driver if it lasted any period of time, I did see a ex British rail hydro 85 for sale a bit back carnt remember who had it now so wonder what they used that for?
 

ianw

Member
Location
east yorkshire
There is a 5 page article in december 2013's Tractor and machinery on the hydro's, a hydro 84 was. £11,020 in 1981 with standard cab and sekura cab was £11,840 list price,I'll add some more later as it does compare earlier models in price for comparison
 

essexpete

Member
Location
Essex
Well worth the £820 extra for the flat deck. We bought one out of Cambs in 1989 for about £2750 with a few jobs needed but basically OK. (It could have been a real dog on reflection). The only thing that broke on it was the flex drive plate and that was probably due to us giving some stick on a heavy trailer. Good on the baler but hot to sit in but a pain the year after we sold it when the 895 could not go slow enough on very thick straw. I think it made about £1500 in a local auction in 1995. :scratchhead:
 

Y Fan Wen

Member
Location
N W Snowdonia
Back in the late eighties, the local maltings, had a hydro. It had a massive steel frame. mounted on the back. It was used to shunt empty railway wagons, back when they had a railway between their two malting plants. It's all done by artic now. If I remember correctly, it eventually split the transmission casing, due to the strain it was subjected to.

Wish I had a camera phone 25 yrs ago!
Apropos of nothing in particular;
In the 50's and 60's there was a Fordson on the slate quay in Caernarfon with great big plates fore and aft for shunting standard guage railway wagons of coal for the gasworks. When I first came across it, it was a E27N and was replaced by a Major before the gasworks closed when N sea gas arrived in the late 60's.
 

essexpete

Member
Location
Essex
Apropos of nothing in particular;
In the 50's and 60's there was a Fordson on the slate quay in Caernarfon with great big plates fore and aft for shunting standard guage railway wagons of coal for the gasworks. When I first came across it, it was a E27N and was replaced by a Major before the gasworks closed when N sea gas arrived in the late 60's.
Muir Hill and Chaseside both built Fordson based shunters.
 
a shame they didn't make a 100+hpversion with a flat side window would have been just the job for hedgecutting (with a modern cutter),

Also have put in the wanted section, I'm after 3point linkage parts and Puh parts to suit hydro/784 as the one with the loader is missing its 3pl pound notes waiting!
 

Y Fan Wen

Member
Location
N W Snowdonia
Muir Hill and Chaseside both built Fordson based shunters.
Yes, I was looking at a Standard Fordson based one at the last rally I attended at the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway.
However, I was talking about rubber tyred tractors working on the slate quay sidings where the road and rail levels were the same, like street trams.
 

essexpete

Member
Location
Essex
a shame they didn't make a 100+hpversion with a flat side window would have been just the job for hedgecutting (with a modern cutter),

Also have put in the wanted section, I'm after 3point linkage parts and Puh parts to suit hydro/784 as the one with the loader is missing its 3pl pound notes waiting!

I think anything off the larger 84 or 85 series will fit.
 

Yorkshire lad

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
YO42
a shame they didn't make a 100+hpversion with a flat side window would have been just the job for hedgecutting (with a modern cutter),

Also have put in the wanted section, I'm after 3point linkage parts and Puh parts to suit hydro/784 as the one with the loader is missing its 3pl pound notes waiting!
Try pfs 07734 130505 cant remember his name, had some parts from him good to deal with and been IH trained fitter knows all about 74/84/85 series tractors is based near Scunthorpe.
 
Memory a bit sketchy on them be 25yrs since I had anything to do with them but drain plugs are under the transmission as normal there will be 3 off them for different compartments, the filters are on the left hand side behind rear wheel in a round bowl with one bolt in the centre (there are two of these bowls on a hydro one is forward more under the steps ) inside the bowl there is also a gauze ensure it is clean an refitted the way it came out! Also the square o-ring sealing the filter bowl be very careful to replace it correctly as it can cause problems eg suck air. The dipstick for oil level is at the drivers heel in the cab and should be checked after engine been running for a few mins. To bleed system after oil change start engine run at 12-1500rpm and try and turn steering wheel side to side (it will be stiff ) should only take 2mins at most

Correct in just about every detail (y) - have a 474 & 454 Hydro (y)(y) 474 had since 900 hrs/30yrs, 454 about 5yr...................not much can touch em IMHO, tho noise & heat were their downfall - 474 trans is very sick now & is due a rebuild when I have the time - Gapples on BFF knows a lot about them, not sure if he is on here
 
a shame they didn't make a 100+hpversion with a flat side window would have been just the job for hedgecutting (with a modern cutter),

Also have put in the wanted section, I'm after 3point linkage parts and Puh parts to suit hydro/784 as the one with the loader is missing its 3pl pound notes waiting!

They did, a US version Hydro100 6cyl & a later model I just can't recall the no. of atm
 

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