ipad for isoyl vr fertiliser

[drifter]

Wifi control in tractors..... Aargh! My phone Always syncs with my iPad as does my laptop.... Not!!!!

I'd love wifi control, It would make my job easy when fitting...
However, how would you charge the screen??? Would an iPad running GPS last all day? Mine on sat nav(Tom Tom) lasts about three hours. So you'd still have wires going to receiver, screen and ecu for power. But the future looks exciting

Hi Rob there is no wifi control from the ipad to the machine, we have a bespoke cable which plugs into the lightening connector on the ipad. This cable provides power to the ipad and takes the communication coming out. Within the cable is a micro processor which takes the output command string and converts it to the correct protocol as selected in the ipad. In response to Brisel and Chae yes the cables are expensive, as they are manufactured to our specification by an approved apple supplier. The isoyl app will be free to download from the Apple App store once it is released, the ISOYL accessory pack which is £495 + vat includes:
ISOYL connection cable from ipad to controller
RS232 adaptor
power cable with usb power plug
ipad screen protector and RAM mount
MySOYLsync lifetime licence (this allows application plans to be sent direct to iSOYL and the application records sent back)
First Year support.

Annual telephone/email support £30

As i mentioned yesterday there is now a solution for ipads which do not have GPS, application plans can be downloaded via wifi. We are also currently looking at a 30pin to lightening adaptor which will open this solution up to users of older ipads

 

[Northern farmer]

**STOP Press update** Bluetooh gps solution for ipad http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00COLB9FS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

This has been tested by our technical department this afternoon and so far is working well, more updates to come.

A bit off-topic but I tried an old iPad with an external BT USB device and was not able to connect.

The comments on the referred product say: "Best of luck, not straightforward on IOS 6 but works well when you crack it." Did you apply the crack or could it be that a GPS capable iPad actually accepts an external BT GPS receive without any cracks?

 

[drifter]

A bit off-topic but I tried an old iPad with an external BT USB device and was not able to connect.

The comments on the referred product say: "Best of luck, not straightforward on IOS 6 but works well when you crack it." Did you apply the crack or could it be that a GPS capable iPad actually accepts an external BT GPS receive without any cracks?

iSOYL will only run on ios7 and above so no would be the answer to your question. Will ask the question of how easy it was to set up on ios7.

 

[Robt]

Thanks drifter! Nice to understand the facts.
Regards
Rob

 

[Mdt]

Surely SOYL will be working on an android system too?? Must be cheaper and simpler than apple setup!

 

[drifter]

Surely SOYL will be working on an android system too?? Must be cheaper and simpler than apple setup!

Android version will be next, bizarrely it is more expensive to develop than apple. The main reason for this being different versions on android operating systems, there are 10 different android operating systems, jellybean being the most widely used, the most recent release being lollipop version 5. Each version is slightly different so we would have to build versions for every android version. iOS base version is ios7 anything above is compatible

 

[Mdt]

Android version will be next, bizarrely it is more expensive to develop than apple. The main reason for this being different versions on android operating systems, there are 10 different android operating systems, jellybean being the most widely used, the most recent release being lollipop version 5. Each version is slightly different so we would have to build versions for every android version. iOS base version is ios7 anything above is compatible

That's a fair point.

 

[Cow1]

What does an iPad bring to the party that an existing SoylSense windows phone doesn't? Especially if like mine it's only a wireless version and so you have to sort out GPS connections. Am I missing something?

 

[Slick]

What does an iPad bring to the party that an existing SoylSense windows phone doesn't? Especially if like mine it's only a wireless version and so you have to sort out GPS connections. Am I missing something?

It's all about the logo.

 

[drifter]

What does an iPad bring to the party that an existing SoylSense windows phone doesn't? Especially if like mine it's only a wireless version and so you have to sort out GPS connections. Am I missing something?

Unfortunately progression is unstoppable no matter what industry you are in. We will continue to sell and support the M3 SOYL Opti. There are people that for what ever reason do not like ipad's, android tablets etc, i have a few customers who do fall into this category. To them the M3 opti is as easy as a mobile phone to use and that is what they like. Customers have always said "we love the opti but can't it have a bigger screen?" Trust me we have been looking at hardware platforms to replace the M3 which have always been either un-reliable, or cost prohibitive. Ipad or android was the logial step forward, plus the ipad as other uses outside of the tractor cab.

 

[Cow1]

Ok. Fully understand that. Personally I love the M3 as it does exactly what I want despite the fact I'm also an iPad fan.

 

[Notquiteretired]

Android version will be next, bizarrely it is more expensive to develop than apple. The main reason for this being different versions on android operating systems, there are 10 different android operating systems, jellybean being the most widely used, the most recent release being lollipop version 5. Each version is slightly different so we would have to build versions for every android version. iOS base version is ios7 anything above is compatible

Provided you choose the tools for the job Android development is no different to your iOS example - hope someone's not taking you for a ride

 

[Niels]

Wifi control in tractors..... Aargh! My phone Always syncs with my iPad as does my laptop.... Not!!!!

I'd love wifi control, It would make my job easy when fitting...
However, how would you charge the screen??? Would an iPad running GPS last all day? Mine on sat nav(Tom Tom) lasts about three hours. So you'd still have wires going to receiver, screen and ecu for power. But the future looks exciting

If you only have GPS switched on it probably would run all day but you need the app as well plus you'd probably like to check your email and the weather which means it needs to be charged permanently. You need 1 wire to charge it, another linking it to the implement computer and that is it? Plus your implement wires of course.

 

[drifter]

Provided you choose the tools for the job Android development is no different to your iOS example - hope someone's not taking you for a ride

There is also the issue that android is not secure, anybody could hack an app or app update, the fact that we are transferring data to and from a device would leave the integrity of the data and its host vulnerable.

 

[drifter]

If you only have GPS switched on it probably would run all day but you need the app as well plus you'd probably like to check your email and the weather which means it needs to be charged permanently. You need 1 wire to charge it, another linking it to the implement computer and that is it? Plus your implement wires of course.

The cable we supply provides all of this in one Niels, power to charge and data transmission. No other cables are required.

 

[Notquiteretired]

There is also the issue that android is not secure, anybody could hack an app or app update, the fact that we are transferring data to and from a device would leave the integrity of the data and its host vulnerable.

All operating systems have their vulnerabilities and your statement is extreme and equally describes Windows and iOS. Data transfer protocols are not operating system specific, so again, use the correct tools and transport layer and you will be safe and sound.
Proof of this would be the answer to a simple question.
What operating system do you receive this data transfer on?

Useful OS info here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

 

[Northern farmer]

There is also the issue that android is not secure, anybody could hack an app or app update, the fact that we are transferring data to and from a device would leave the integrity of the data and its host vulnerable.

Android is not secure, you are correct. But in this context one could misunderstand this comment as if iPhone or iPad were secure, no way they are. One may be safer than the other (and the third one is safer than these two!) but none of these are secure.

Security is an important matter but these iPads that are used for precision Ag applications, are most often selected because of the second role at home and that is where I would be concerned about security. Who wants my job data from the tractor? In that sense I could use equally well an iPad as an Android tablet.

Google for some Apple security issues and you'll find a very scary list of topics, including many that are not going to be addressed (older, but not so old products).

http://9to5mac.com/2014/11/10/masque-attack-ios-security-flaw-wirelurker/

 

[Richard Smyth]

How will the system work if the machine is isobus. Our spreader (bogballe) runs on isobus through our fendt terminal.

Richard.

 

[Robt]

Richard, if it's running ISObus just load VRA map on fendt terminal?

 

[Richard Smyth]

Richard, if it's running ISObus just load VRA map on fendt terminal?

Don't believe the fendt terminal can do this yet. I'm told it is coming though. Just wondering if this would be a quicker option.