Irish Border post Brexit

[Pieces_of_Eight]

There doesn't seem to be an option that no-one will block

DUP, Corbyn, BoJo, Juncker, Tusk, etc etc

 

[czechmate]

There doesn't seem to be an option that no-one will block

DUP, Corbyn, BoJo, Juncker, Tusk, etc etc

You could be forgiven for thinking this thing wasn't really thought through

 

[Ashtree]

Now the DUP say they will block any Brexit deal that puts a border between NI and the rest of the UK...

If I was PM, and had the DUP with a gun to my head, I would invite them for coffee and a chocky bikki. There I would casually bring up the small matter of the Barnet formula and the possibility for “reform” ...... wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Wouldn’t want the DUP taking the blame for the kind of reform which would sharply reduce the gravy flowing across the Irish Sea, now would we, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.....

Oh, and that funny money that somehow got laundererd through the DUP funny bank account, (not the RHI account ...... the other one) oh (and not the funny account for Junior Paisley’s bribery income) which in turn got used to fund a Btexit campaign .... Wouldn’t want some sordid details suddenly appearing in the media, now would we.......

 

[nivilla1982]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136
WTO says its rules would not force EU or UK to erect hard Irish border

 

[it's not over]

For those advocating a no deal(not some other deal because eu has said no and time factor) what's happening to my milk which has went south for 25 years on April 1st. I want a proper answer not some fudge answer
I will judge answers on a score of 1 to 10. Don't all rush at once

 

[renewablejohn]

For those advocating a no deal(not some other deal because eu has said no and time factor) what's happening to my milk which has went south for 25 years on April 1st. I want a proper answer not some fudge answer
I will judge answers on a score of 1 to 10. Don't all rush at once

I doubt there will be any difference whatsoever until WTO quota is used up. Originally that quota was going to be the average trade by UK between 2013 to 2015 but they cant even agree on that.

 

[yin ewe]

Option 1. Your milk will continue to go south, when it arrives in Aurivos yard it will be tested to see that it meets EU regulations/ standards as it does at the moment. It will either pass or fail as it does at the moment. If the EU decide to impose tariffs Aurivo will collect the tariff ( I suppose you will have to negotiate with them whether the tariff comes out of your bottom line or theirs, ultimately it will come out of yours) they will then pass on the tariff to the EU.

Option 2. Join Dale Farm.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Technically as the UK would become a third party by the 1st April all products of animal origin would be banned from entering the EU until the UK was authorised by the EU to supply milk and milk products. This would include an audit examining establishments, public health motioning, veterinary certification and border inspection and traceability. But as the UK has been part of the EU I would imagine it will just be a matter of gathering the existing information and presenting it to them. The only one that may cause some concern is the border inspection and traceability aspect.

 

[yin ewe]

Cant see traceability being an issue as we already have that in place. The border inspection can take place in the processors yard, done by processors staff with spot checks done by customs officers, no need to stop lorries at the border. Unless that's what the EU want.

 

[Highland Mule]

Technically as the UK would become a third party by the 1st April all products of animal origin would be banned from entering the EU until the UK was authorised by the EU to supply milk and milk products. This would include an audit examining establishments, public health motioning, veterinary certification and border inspection and traceability. But as the UK has been part of the EU I would imagine it will just be a matter of gathering the existing information and presenting it to them. The only one that may cause some concern is the border inspection and traceability aspect.

Sounds about right, but with the caveat that it will take around a year or two for the UK and EU to agree the formalities that go behind all this, and in the meantime you will have to find an alternative outlet for your produce. Let's just hope that we have a deal with transition to allow continuity until this sort of thing can be sorted out.

 

[The Agrarian]

Its a paper exercise as we all know. It's a case of whether the EU has the will to exercise the paper. It hasn't a great deal of incentive to do anything for us, because they hold most of the cards in this, and they may well take their leisure so as to cause us some trouble and make us sweat a bit. We recall them bringing the shutter down on South American beef when they took the right notion.

 

[Ashtree]

Everybody in NI is out of step. Voters, business people, farmers, etc, except a small few DUP politicians.

 

[renewablejohn]

Technically as the UK would become a third party by the 1st April all products of animal origin would be banned from entering the EU until the UK was authorised by the EU to supply milk and milk products. This would include an audit examining establishments, public health motioning, veterinary certification and border inspection and traceability. But as the UK has been part of the EU I would imagine it will just be a matter of gathering the existing information and presenting it to them. The only one that may cause some concern is the border inspection and traceability aspect.

Not strictly true just more project fear. As far as I can see under WTO EU would be forced to accept product on previous quality specification terms upto the agreed quota amount based on some historical formula which there still arguing about. Any WTO tariffs have already been submitted by both the UK and EU although not as yet made public.

 

[Highland Mule]

Project reality - it's not been agreed yet, and even the WTO terms would need some level of international agreement - these things don't happen overnight and may need parliamentary scrutiny, both UK and others'.

 

[alex04w]

In these types of situations, everyone looks at it one sided - what will happen to my UK product that 'cannot' go south.

Look at the other side of the question - what will happen to the processing plant in the south. Does anyone really think the EU will stand on its supposed rights and force the plants in the south to close due to lack of inputs? Do you think the Irish will allow it (even if they have caved in to the EU on referendum votes in the past).

As I have said before, business will sort matters out far faster than politicians. If Southern Irish milk processors go to their politicians and say we are closing x number of plants and laying off x hundred / thousand workers, because we can no longer process northern milk, do you really think the answer will be - that will teach the British a lesson for leaving the EU. It is project fear all over again / still.

There might be a hiccup for a day or two, maybe even as long as a week (ditto the ports in Dover, etc). By then the business community will have sorted it, even if the politicians have not.

 

[Highland Mule]

I really wished I shared your optimism, but my experience of big business and big bureaucracy suggests something different. Have you been involved in any heavy regulation projects? PM if you prefer.

 

[Hindsight]

In these types of situations, everyone looks at it one sided - what will happen to my UK product that 'cannot' go south.

Look at the other side of the question - what will happen to the processing plant in the south. Does anyone really think the EU will stand on its supposed rights and force the plants in the south to close due to lack of inputs? Do you think the Irish will allow it (even if they have caved in to the EU on referendum votes in the past).

As I have said before, business will sort matters out far faster than politicians. If Southern Irish milk processors go to their politicians and say we are closing x number of plants and laying off x hundred / thousand workers, because we can no longer process northern milk, do you really think the answer will be - that will teach the British a lesson for leaving the EU. It is project fear all over again / still.

There might be a hiccup for a day or two, maybe even as long as a week (ditto the ports in Dover, etc). By then the business community will have sorted it, even if the politicians have not.

Well said. On several occasions on these threads I have said I await the moment when my daughter is told she cannot have Calabrese because of Brexit - and look forward to the politician that says such a thing.

 

[The Agrarian]

Standing neither on the side of Brexit, nor against, but purely as an observer - I do think that project fear is real, both coming from remainers, and from the EU. And that's not to say it's unreasonable. If I was in charge of the EU, I'd do exactly the same thing. If a big cog in the wheel such as the UK wanted to leave, I'd make it as humiliating and miserable for them as possible. If I believed in my self perpetuating institutions, I'd do a draghi and do whatever it takes to thwart a successful Brexit and deter anyone else getting a bright idea about leaving. Part of the tools in my box would be to make things painful for the UK. I wouldn't be in a hurry to agree quotas to allow wto to work, if that's what the process needs to be. I'd potentially also be prepared to sacrifice a few Irish jobs as an example, resting on the comfort of being able to blame it on the stupid decision made by the British people when asked a stupid question.

 

[Hindsight]

Standing neither on the side of Brexit, nor against, but purely as an observer - I do think that project fear is real, both coming from remainers, and from the EU. And that's not to say it's unreasonable. If I was in charge of the EU, I'd do exactly the same thing. If a big cog in the wheel such as the UK wanted to leave, I'd make it as humiliating and miserable for them as possible. If I believed in my self perpetuating institutions, I'd do a draghi and do whatever it takes to thwart a successful Brexit and deter anyone else getting a bright idea about leaving. Part of the tools in my box would be to make things painful for the UK. I wouldn't be in a hurry to agree quotas to allow wto to work, if that's what the process needs to be. I'd potentially also be prepared to sacrifice a few Irish jobs as an example, resting on the comfort of being able to blame it on the stupid decision made by the British people when asked a stupid question.

Yes, I anticipate what you say will come to pass. collateral damage. Hopefully nothing serious will occur just fisticuffs in the school yard.

 

[Highland Mule]

Well said. On several occasions on these threads I have said I await the moment when my daughter is told she cannot have Calabrese because of Brexit - and look forward to the politician that says such a thing.

https://www.quickcrop.co.uk/learning/plant/brocolli-calabrese

Better get yourself ready for large sales of a niche product. ;-)