Irish Border post Brexit

bobk

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Location
stafford
What a load of self-congratulatory ballocks!

The EU likes to manufacture a sense of purpose so that it can exist as an institution and serve it's own ends. It's truly laughable that you or anyone else might really think they contributed to the peace process.

The peace process happened because the IRA had reached a stalemate in it's murder campaign, and knew it wasnt getting any further with it. It was offered the chance to have it's bombers and murderers released from prison, to have the regional police force that caught them disbanded, and a guaranteed joint seat at the head of government, no matter what the electorate might say. They quite rightly thought it was a great deal, and took it!

We all took the European funding for peace, because it was there to be made use of. But I'm not aware of any difference to relations i have seen locally that would not have occurred anyway without the EU scheme money.

As for the convention on human rights. The most visible effects have been a deterioration in the quality of justice and punishment now. A criminal psychologist friend of mine could write you a book about the day to day problems they see now because of it. It also in an especially twisted turn of events, saw terrorists taking their government to the european court for compensation for having their human rights infringed upon whilst they were in the midst of a murder operation.

A very big pat on the back to you. Well done. You have served criminals well.

You should tweet that post to https://twitter.com/eucopresident
 
I live in Northern Ireland and I'm British, I'm not Northern Irish and I'm certainly not Irish. You're welcome to identify as whatever you want, but don't try to tell others what they are.
To the vast majority on the mainland, if you are from Ireland (north or south) you are "Paddy" or "the Irishman"

When I first moved over to the mainland I became friends with someone who had the the same first name as me so people differentiated between us by calling me "Irish". When I explained that was from the north and that's part of the UK, they just said "so what?" It was all given and taken in good humour.

Personally I've never been one to cling to a group identity, be that a nation, religion, football team, political party etc. I find it a gamble to associate myself with a group that I have no control of and I am unlikely to 100% agree with.
I am and individual, and don't like to dilute my individuality by blending into a group.
 
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arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
To the vast majority on the mainland, if you are from Ireland (north or south) you are "Paddy" or "the Irishman"

When I first moved over here I became friends with the same first name, so people differentiated between us by calling me "Irish". When I explained that was from the north and that's part of the UK, they just said "so what?" It was all given and taken in good humour.

Personally I've never been one to cling to a group identity, be that a nation, religion, football team, political party etc. I find it a gamble to associate myself with a group that I have no control of and I am unlikely to 100% agree with.
I am and individual, and don't like to dilute my individuality by blending into a group.
I have always had a fear of "secret" societies of any sort just as I have of religious sects and political alliances. Everyone is an individual who may share some views corresponding to those of certain groups of people. To nail your total and unwavering allegiance to any of these groups with disregard to your true feelings is stupid and unnecessary. I do identify my self as English because of my place of birth and I respect the rights of others to do the same. When I travel abroad I do not expect to be allowed to contravene the law in other countries, nor do I expect to have automatic rights of work, social benefits or permanent residence.
 

The Agrarian

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
I have always had a fear of "secret" societies of any sort just as I have of religious sects and political alliances. Everyone is an individual who may share some views corresponding to those of certain groups of people. To nail your total and unwavering allegiance to any of these groups with disregard to your true feelings is stupid and unnecessary. I do identify my self as English because of my place of birth and I respect the rights of others to do the same. When I travel abroad I do not expect to be allowed to contravene the law in other countries, nor do I expect to have automatic rights of work, social benefits or permanent residence.

Humans have always liked to arrange themselves in groups, for one reason or another. In the case of politics or religion, it's because they may share many common goals or opinions.

I for one am content to be affiliated with certain religious and political organisations with which I share a broad range of views, but with the proviso that I am freely entitled to differ from the majority view where I see fit, and act accordingly; and if necessary to disassociate myself from them at any time in the future.

Being an individual and ploughing your own fur is a good thing. Being an individual in a broad grouping also can have benefits, as long as you dont give away your right to your own view.

National identity. Well that's complicated. For some, like yourself, it's as simple as where you were born. For others it may be much deeper than that.
 
I have yet to find a cult/religion or political party that doesn't make me cringe at times, not that I feel the need to look very hard, but best avoided IMO.

Religious and political divide lead to too much murder when I was growing up.

If appropriate I say where I am from, but don't lump myself in with others under a nationality. But of course you sometimes have to tick a box when form filling etc.
 
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Devil_0101

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The majority of those who live in NI are irish. Now listen to me, a terrorist, an army for freedom, they need the support from the people, the people need a reason to support.

NI wanted to be independent and they got their support, then the EU came and said both UK and NI are under the EU, therefor they "killed" the reason for the IRA to even exist, and those bombs stopped because there was no purpose anymore. If they were going to continue to plant bombs at this time in NI you would see Italian, French, German army wiping any single terrorist, or freedom fighter, call them whatever you want.

NI did not want to reunify with Ireland and stay in UK because back in the days, it was a civil war because you had to use your army, the Ireland was poor and NI was making much more money with the UK.Today is not like this anymore, as the previous data showed today Ireland is richer than NI and even scotland, plus it is a member of the EU. It is not only me but many think they could reunify. The ireland has been unified for hundres years, this is just a small period they are under the UK, who soon wont be anymore. Regards.
 

agrimax

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Location
Co Down
The majority of those who live in NI are irish. Now listen to me, a terrorist, an army for freedom, they need the support from the people, the people need a reason to support.

NI wanted to be independent and they got their support, then the EU came and said both UK and NI are under the EU, therefor they "killed" the reason for the IRA to even exist, and those bombs stopped because there was no purpose anymore. If they were going to continue to plant bombs at this time in NI you would see Italian, French, German army wiping any single terrorist, or freedom fighter, call them whatever you want.

NI did not want to reunify with Ireland and stay in UK because back in the days, it was a civil war because you had to use your army, the Ireland was poor and NI was making much more money with the UK.Today is not like this anymore, as the previous data showed today Ireland is richer than NI and even scotland, plus it is a member of the EU. It is not only me but many think they could reunify. The ireland has been unified for hundres years, this is just a small period they are under the UK, who soon wont be anymore. Regards.

Can anyone understand this drivel?
 

Devil_0101

Member
Well, i guess it is you who have no clue what is going on there. I suggest you do not to use the "british humour", an excuse to be an a*hole only.

"Ulster nationalism is a school of thought in Northern Ireland politics that seeks the independence of Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom without joining the Republic of Ireland, thereby becoming an independent sovereign state separate from both."

"There has been a number of proposals in terms of the government including the Republic of Northern Ireland which will be led by a President, Vice-President, Chief Secretary and Solicitor-General as the leaders of State and Government. Also claims that in the Republic proposal there will be devolved state governments."

"Independence has been supported by groups such as Ulster Third Way and some factions of the Ulster Defence Association."

"Irish Republican Army (IRA), also called Provisional Irish Republican Army, republican paramilitary organisation seeking the establishment of a republic, the end of British rule in Northern Ireland"

"Northern Ireland’s largest Irish nationalist party Sinn Fein on Monday said it wanted a referendum on splitting from the United Kingdom “as soon as possible”, hours after Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon demanded a new independence vote."

The way i know it, some NI wants independence, long time ago because Ireland was poor, some wants to stay in UK, some wants to reunify with Ireland. As you can see when i have said the NI was looking for independence i was correct. You should study a better history and not that history your school tells you. Regards.
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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