Irish slaughter houses shutting

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
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Somerset
I think a lot of folk would be interested in a contract that said present X number of cattle for slaughter in December 2020 and the price will be £X.XX per kilo. The uncertainty of agriculture is half the problem.
they won't do that though, they want these cop contracts so they can look at your accounts to find out how hard they can squeeze when they have enough signed up, that and deciding they are not going to pay for 4 months
 

cowboysupper

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Mixed Farmer
A fair price is one that is fair, when things are out in the open and there is no underhand dealings like selling eastern EU beef as Irish or British, fair is when imported beef is subject to the same regulation as our own or it is written on the package in the supermarket or on the menu in the restaurant in big letters that anyone can see at a glance that it is imported or it is not up to our standard that's what bloody fair is, not very likely to bloody well happen with all the big knob big money players in the game though is it but that's what fecking fair is
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I’m not convinced that a fair price exists in the free market but what I would like to see is regulation introduced so that we can see the daily value of every component of the carcass sold into the next section of the supply chain to improve transparency in the sector. The multi national meat companies should be forced to publish their accounts too.

Fair price concept is dangerous too. £3.50 could be a fair price but what if costs rocket and suddenly £4 needs to be the fair price. Practically how can than work in the free market unless someone is locked into a COP contract?

I think if the uncertainty around Brexit was resolved livestock prices would be in a much better place (and I am pro getting a deal and leaving). All this uncertainty is bad for business especially when carcass balance is such a complicated issue for the livestock industry.
 

Werzle

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Location
Midlands
News story in the 'independant ie' about the foreign workers be laid off. Most didnt no anything about it until farmers turned up at the gates protesting. Some staff blame there bosses and others blame the farmers.
 

Llmmm

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News story in the 'independant ie' about the foreign workers be laid off. Most didnt no anything about it until farmers turned up at the gates protesting. Some staff blame there bosses and others blame the farmers.
Factories mainly employ people from outside eu the have got permits to bring them eu apart of permit application im sure you have to guarantee a job dont think its legal to sack these people
 

milkloss

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Factories mainly employ people from outside eu the have got permits to bring them eu apart of permit application im sure you have to guarantee a job dont think its legal to sack these people

They’ll have it stitched up so they can do what what they like, big business always does.
 
Or take them to the ring, ban bidders buying for multiple accounts and watch the competition begin!

Surely a market ring wont work any longer since the slaughter houses are slowly consolidating or going out or bring bought up? Throw in the increasing haulage between them and it becomes a bit cartel-like with a handful of players operating on a wink and a nod?
 

milkloss

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Surely a market ring wont work any longer since the slaughter houses are slowly consolidating or going out or bring bought up? Throw in the increasing haulage between them and it becomes a bit cartel-like with a handful of players operating on a wink and a nod?

Yes, there will always be these issues but if the majority of producers stick to the live ring then at least the wink and nod can be seen/exposed in public, or the bidding behaviour even if the agreements go on behind closed doors.
Rings can be regional and encourage the buyers come and fill their boots as the cattle aren’t coming to them otherwise.

It would need some farmer cooperation which is where the problem lies.
 
Yes, there will always be these issues but if the majority of producers stick to the live ring then at least the wink and nod can be seen/exposed in public, or the bidding behaviour even if the agreements go on behind closed doors.
Rings can be regional and encourage the buyers come and fill their boots as the cattle aren’t coming to them otherwise.

It would need some farmer cooperation which is where the problem lies.

It is very sad that a literal way of life is slowly having its neck wrung right before our eyes. In such cases an industry must act as one so the fingers can form a fist. I remember attending milk protests and standing with men blockading the milk factories. This is no different.
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
Spotted on FB from a disgruntled farmer

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7610 super q

Never Forgotten
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Wouldn't need to we'll be getting all that cheap American stuff!
At short notice though ? I would imagine sorting importing would take more than a week ? Shame there wasn't a hard border, then Larry couldn't have kicked our arses with Polish beef.:whistle:
This new whistling smilie is crap.....
 

pgk

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At short notice though ? I would imagine sorting importing would take more than a week ? Shame there wasn't a hard border, then Larry couldn't have kicked our arses with Polish beef.:whistle:
This new whistling smilie is crap.....
No need for short notice as when we are bent over by Trump plenty of long term contracts will have supermarkets bringing it in each week by the shop load, no extra charge for the hormones. Friend who works for Asda Walmart says they can buy south American beef delivered to UK at half they have to pay for uk/irish?
 

liammogs

Member
Yes, there will always be these issues but if the majority of producers stick to the live ring then at least the wink and nod can be seen/exposed in public, or the bidding behaviour even if the agreements go on behind closed doors.
Rings can be regional and encourage the buyers come and fill their boots as the cattle aren’t coming to them otherwise.

It would need some farmer cooperation which is where the problem lies.

This is exactly what needs to happen all over the UK and Ireland, old saying sell live and thrive, make these factories and buyers fall out over cattle and sheep, cause if they need stock they will have to bid for it......not kill it then give you what they want to give you if that makes sense!! Years ago markets where everything with butchers, factories and farmer/buyers all willing to knock eachother if they needed something none of this nonsense of sharing etc get in and get on
 

Chae1

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Location
Aberdeenshire
No need for short notice as when we are bent over by Trump plenty of long term contracts will have supermarkets bringing it in each week by the shop load, no extra charge for the hormones. Friend who works for Asda Walmart says they can buy south American beef delivered to UK at half they have to pay for uk/irish?
What does your friend do at Asda?
 

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