Is handling now permitted?

[yellowbelly]

no sorry that is against the rules

I thought the whole point of this thread was that nobody seems to take any notice of/enforces the rules

 

[yellowbelly]

Have you got a death wish
Don't worry, I will help you back to L&F much safer there.

Come on Carole, let's us two sneak off back to somewhere safer now...

 

[Howard150]

Come on Carole, let's us two sneak off back to somewhere safer now...
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Bit of a magic roundabout overtone here if you don’t mind me saying,,,
“Said Dillon to Florence in that certain way with a glint in his eye knowing he’s onto a good thing!”
Boiinnngg! ...Said Zebedee

 

[Ray996]

I thought the whole point of this thread was that nobody seems to take any notice of/enforces the rules

Think the point of the thread is severe lack of trained up stewards to enforce the rules and stand up to the allotment ploughmen,simple request and an issue that needs looking into !

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Think the point of the thread is severe lack of trained up stewards to enforce the rules and stand up to the allotment ploughmen,simple request and an issue that needs looking into !

that maybe, but i just wonder out of all them that are complaining,
how many of them have ever been a steward, ?
and how many of them did the job properly ?
for the record i have done both

 

[Ray996]

that maybe, but i just wonder out of all them that are complaining,
how many of them have ever been a steward, ?
and how many of them did the job properly ?
for the record i have done both

Not many !

 

[Howard150]

that maybe, but i just wonder out of all them that are complaining,
how many of them have ever been a steward, ?
and how many of them did the job properly ?
for the record i have done both

Likewise.
Judge as well on a regular basis.
Plough as well when fit
All in all a fair all round view point don’t you think.
Done it in Rome as well as elsewheres. Always ploughed to the rules - as APPLIED

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Not many !

if thats the case, then they need to be a little less of a keyboard warrior , and start doing some stewarding

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Likewise.
Judge as well on a regular basis.
Plough as well when fit
All in all a fair all round view point don’t you think.
Done it in Rome as well as elsewheres. Always ploughed to the rules - as APPLIED

yes a will agree with that, and knew you had done bit of both,
only judged once, and not really looking while i am ploughing still,
I bet that them complaining the most, would be the most unlikely to do any stewarding

 

[Roy Stokes]

Like most I enjoy a match where the card system is in use and enforced, like most if everyone is having a "tidy up" of their crown I also tidy up, at either type of match you can study any of the open classes and pick the top 5 or six places before the ploughs enter the soil, you might not have them in the right order but the top ploughmen tend to win through whether they have tidied the plot by hand or left it untouched

 

[Howard150]

yes a will agree with that, and knew you had done bit of both,
only judged once, and not really looking while i am ploughing still,
I bet that them complaining the most, would be the most unlikely to do any stewarding

Enjoy it all. Amazing what you can see and learn - even put the odd novice right which can be rewarding.

In general those that tend to abuse stewards are those that by and large do least for ploughing. Some of the most vociferous complainants being similar. Seems very much the natural order of things and unfortunately endemic in whatever your leisure pursuit.
Put the sign on the tent, the flag on the plot. Job done. Not a word need be exchanged.
By the same token if it’s OK for all then nobody is disadvantaged. What’s the problem.

 

[wuddy]

The way to stop it is peer pressure

If most of the field let it be know that handling is cheating then eventually if the dont,s outdo the do,s then it will stop

The biggest concern is new entrants, if they see it as the normal then they join in and it just continues

I ploughed at Lichfield 2 years ago and a sign on the stewards tent with no handling yellow and red cards employed

Only one yellow card issued and very little handling was evident

We have all picked the odd bit of stubble and although against the rules probably does not make much difference to the plot

I would suggest a time frame for starts to be finished akin the opening splits as most handling is seen on the crowns not middle work.

As for local matches with poor stewarding then a simple memorandum to judges to say deduct points for infringements when seen, does not even need to be written down

Just a lower score than would have been given

I play golf and it's policed by yourself and you playing partners to call penalty,s against the rules and done as a natural course.

To take the view that it's down to SOP when they don't run local matches is unachievable

Or change the rules to say anything goes and the best handler is given an advantage.

At the end of the day it comes down to integrity if you are comfortable with what the rules say is cheating then you should be comfortable when called a cheat and any reputation that goes with it.

All the matches I plough in north of the border with the exception of British qualifiers have a time limit on finishing the crown!

 

[Tonym]

All the matches I plough in north of the border with the exception of British qualifiers have a time limit on finishing the crown!

That was what I suggested but south of the border we have a limited time for the split which is then judged then plough on to the finish.

If after the split was judged we had a limited time to complete the first 3 or 4 furrows of the crown (the bit that gets the most handling, often rebuilt by hand) and then that was judged it would not allow any time to tidy up.

If you run out of time nothing to judge so no points.

 

[wuddy]

That was what I suggested but south of the border we have a limited time for the split which is then judged then plough on to the finish.

If after the split was judged we had a limited time to complete the first 3 or 4 furrows of the crown (the bit that gets the most handling, often rebuilt by hand) and then that was judged it would not allow any time to tidy up.

If you run out of time nothing to judge so no points.

We have a time limit to complete the crown which is three rounds (11 or 12 furrs) you do not have to stop once this is completed but if held up by your neighbour the steward can give you extra time

 

[Tafe Tractorman]

I'm not sure about all this handling and gardening that people whinge about, but I do believe ploughmen should practice what they preach. Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones.

Anybody recognise the ploughman in the picture, the one doing a bit of "gardening"!! It looks serious stuff, as he even has an audience watching him.

Comments please!!!

 

[Dealer]

Freddie. That's classic I mean world style.
I mean championship gardening.

Is that an official KV modified fork he's using.

 

[Roy Stokes]

........................................................Surely not Fred........................well I never...........................I am sure he will be along to comment really soon, as Howard 150 says " let he without sin cast the first stone " or in this case let he without sin dig for the stone to cast !

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

dont know who it is

but looks like it will take more of a fork to sort it out

 

[Roy Stokes]

Does Forking constitute handling ?............................. and if so is it now permitted ?

 

[northoftheborder]

I'm not sure about all this handling and gardening that people whinge about, but I do believe ploughmen should practice what they preach. Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones.

Anybody recognise the ploughman in the picture, the one doing a bit of "gardening"!! It looks serious stuff, as he even has an audience watching him.

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Is he not just digging out stones that might spoil his finish ?