Is he mad?

Discussion in 'Agricultural Matters' started by Steakeater, Jan 11, 2017.

  1. silverfox

    silverfox Member

    I'd go into dairying if 250 cows would net a PROFIT of £100k, pay a herdsman and live off the other £70k.
    something doesn't add up?
     
  2. glasshouse

    glasshouse Member

    Location:
    lothians
    if he could agree to buy farm gradually then yes go for it
     
  3. silverfox

    silverfox Member

    100 acres around here, would set you back getting on for a million quid. 100 acres would do well to earn you £20k.
    so please explain how it's all paid for?
     
  4. Ukjay

    Ukjay Member

    Location:
    Leicestershire
    To let someone answer that, tell them what you get paid for a ltr of milk. There are lots of questions /neigh sayers on this thread - but no one has been prepared to offer up the math to show how bad it must be by reading this thread, just stating he will not be able to make 50k!
     
  5. glasshouse

    glasshouse Member

    Location:
    lothians
    he could buy 100 acres in ayrshire for £300,000 with parlour etc
     
  6. multi power

    multi power Member

    Location:
    pembrokeshire
    I should have done it years ago, but instead I wasted the best years of my life working at home for nothing
     
  7. silverfox

    silverfox Member

    your still a young man. Join the tenant farmers association, as they give you a heads up on farms to rent.
    There were 3 dairy farms in Cheshire to rent last month, and one in Wiltshire.
    also a small 58 acre mixed farm in Pembrokeshire
     
  8. silverfox

    silverfox Member

    how many cows could you keep on 100 acres in Ayrshire?
     
  9. Hilly

    Hilly Member

    Location:
    Scottish Borders.
    None, it rains everyday thats why the farms are for nowt.
     
  10. glasshouse

    glasshouse Member

    Location:
    lothians
    100 cows easy, plenty land to rent for silage
     
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  11. milkloss

    milkloss Member

    Location:
    East Sussex
    Buy some flats with his £100 odd k and sit on the income till 2020 or whatever and then roll them over into a farm if he wishes.
     
  12. Hilly

    Hilly Member

    Location:
    Scottish Borders.
    I do laugh, last year we discussed farmers using food banks, now we encouraging 20 year old into milking cows.
     
  13. More to life

    More to life Member

    Location:
    Somerset
    Interesting read in ag matters would be very different if posted on the dairy section. He might do 50k some years an average of 30k would be more realistic. Lots of variables including inexperienced which could cost years of profit. A young man with a dream go for it don't die wondering.
     
  14. Hilly

    Hilly Member

    Location:
    Scottish Borders.
    Or die trying, firstly it takes a very special personality to survive working 100% alone, not many can do it.
     
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  15. milkloss

    milkloss Member

    Location:
    East Sussex
    Fair point, find a like minded woman with a decent job to help fund the first few years.
     
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  16. Only hope he is fully aware of the tb problem ... here,...if not he is an idiot.

    Give it a few years mind you and things might improve .......;)
     
  17. neilo

    neilo Member

    Location:
    Montgomeryshire
    I tendered for one farm doing just that. 220ac grass farm with an ex-dairy set up (clusters hung up in parlour and dairy door shut 7 years beforehand) with housing for 55 cows. Perfect for a single robot herd run as a part time enterprise, alongside sheep on the rest of the farm. No way it would have worked if I'd have tied myself to a small parlour twice a day, when I could have been doing something more productive. Even had a provisional agreement on a milk contract in place.:( Runner up in the end, the farm going to an established dairy unit running it as a satellite unit for forage/dry cows/followers. The plan opened the door to this place though.:)

    I came at it as someone who has experience of milking cows on robots (& parlours) and how to make them work. Without substantial investment in expanding buildings/infrastructure, it was only ever going to be a part time dairy unit IMO. Figures certainly stood up well enough, with the robot on finance over 7 years and milk price at 25ppl. If we'd got it, we'd have just started milking as milk hit 30ppl.
     
  18. Don't thinks he's mad at all. Fair play to him if he wants to go farming.

    Nearly two years ago I was 28, and I was going to go into grass based dairy farming as a assistant herdsman, but I got talked out of it, by family and friends, saying there was no future in it, the milk price was starting to drop and I was getting anxious with the choice I was going to make, then decided not to follow it.

    It was a big mistake in my view, and I regret the choice, I should of gone into dairying, been reading lots of fantastic articles about people working up from assistant herdsmen into share milkers.

    Would love a second chance!

    Why wont he work as a assistant for a few years and learn the ropes of running a dairy farm? He can still save money and learn about the job as well.
     
  19. DrWazzock

    DrWazzock Member

    Location:
    Lincolnshire
    You'd really have to know cows wouldn't you? And like them. And be very proficient at the job from day one.

    And paying a rent? Really?

    I'm not saying its mission impossible, but it's pretty damn close.

    I went back into farming because I wanted to be my own boss and run my own business. I am now trying to get into a non farming small business of my own. Farming just isn't very profitable and can't see it ever will be, and frankly the pace is a bit pedestrian. You work for the RPA and the quality assurance man and all the other hangers on.

    But we must do what we think best.
     
  20. Probably 10-20 hours out......:rolleyes:
     

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