Is Ian Potter going to kill off local and County shows

[Cuckoo's nest]

Potter has embarked on a crusade on the dairy showmen, is he right do you see any cruelty in these pampered cows ? Re the article in the Dairy Farmer.
Or has he just made too much off milk producers trading quota and has nothing better to do with his time ?

 

[wasted years]

IP is trying to make a career out of of being a journo.
Never trust a man with a beard, or a woman for that matter.

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

Never have liked the bloke to be honest.

 

[bigw]

If people showing hadn't been teat sealing then he wouldn't have been commenting on it. Its always the small minority that spoil things for everyone else.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Potter has embarked on a crusade on the dairy showmen, is he right do you see any cruelty in these pampered cows ? Re the article in the Dairy Farmer.
Or has he just made too much off milk producers trading quota and has nothing better to do with his time ?

Please explain your involvement? At least Potter owns his comments.

 

[westwards]

If people showing hadn't been teat sealing then he wouldn't have been commenting on it. Its always the small minority that spoil things for everyone else.

And what to producers do when the use Orbeseal ?

 

[bigw]

And what to producers do when the use Orbeseal ?

At dry off!!

 

[westwards]

And w

At dry off!!

With some cows giving 30 litres !! And they do not get milked again till they calve.

 

[bigw]

Our cows are giving nothing like that at dry off as we actively try and dry them off before hand. I don't really see where your argument is going as the product is designed for use in the dry period not for use in the show ring.

 

[Princess Pooper]

And w

With some cows giving 30 litres !! And they do not get milked again till they calve.

Do you agree with teat sealing for showing purposes then? I think it's dreadful. Completely different from teat sealing at drying off and good dry off management should have dropped the feed down so production falling anyway and they are normally taken straight away from milking environment to reduce the stimulus.

 

[frederick]

Potter has embarked on a crusade on the dairy showmen, is he right do you see any cruelty in these pampered cows ? Re the article in the Dairy Farmer.
Or has he just made too much off milk producers trading quota and has nothing better to do with his time ?

As far as i read it his crusade is to stop showmen superglueing cows teats.
This is appalling practice on animals that are on direct display to the public.

He highlighted it over 12 months ago and seems to be bringing it back again because breed societies and some shows just dont seem prepared to deal with the issue.

 

[upnortheast]

There is an iceberg out there that origionated in N America. Most folk only see the tip.

 

[David.]

What exactly is happening here, I assume it is suggested that some dairy showmen are blocking the teat canal with superglue, so that cows can be shown with more than one milking of milk in bags without teats leaking?

 

[llamedos]

From 2016 GYS

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...ent-dairy-day-2017.128124/page-2#post-2706606

 

[Princess Pooper]

What exactly is happening here, I assume it is suggested that some dairy showmen are blocking the teat canal with superglue, so that cows can be shown with more than one milking of milk in bags without teats leaking?

Correct..

 

[early riser]

What beats me is how do these lot get any pleasure out of 'winning' when they know they've had to cheat, compromise animal welfare and potentially damage the reputation of our industry in the process

Pathetic

 

[Farmer1001]

Provocative journos tend to get more of an ear than those who aren`t. IP has become more and more provocative as this gets him recognition, the disappointment is that he is doing it by criticising the industry that has been very good to him over the years. I am all for asking honest questions but you only need to read the weekly bulletin to realise some buyers/processors get ripped to shreds and some never get touched? Shame he has gone down this route.

 

[stablegirl]

I have shown cows for around 10 years now at local county and national level, with moderate success.

I just wanted to make a point or two, the world of showing takes in a broad spectrum of exhibitors, just like any sample of society, there are good and bad amongst them. They have a few things in common, one of them is they are competitive, some times overly so.

The other thing they have in common is they LOVE their cows and i genuinely mean that, you may say how can they when they are doing some of the things mentioned above, but they do i havent met a single person at a show that doesnt care for there animals like family. Im sure like you all do.

There is a serious lack of leadership on this matter and it does need to be sorted, im not saying its ok but im saying its very difficult to fix.

You must be careful what you wish for though, shows are in a major decline, like the industry as a whole, but it is the only place many members of the general public see cows up close each year. ( i know you may say they are not the cows you want them to see). The exhibitors work hard explaining to the public about there cows and they have great pride in them and people are really interested. Its a great shop window and if you kick the dog when its already down too hard there will be no one left to show at all.

Even if they are not the sort of cows you want to milk, they do fill a role with the public and serve all of you as milk producers. I appreciate that all this good is destroyed by every bad headline, and hence i sgree something must be done. But just be careful what you wish for because it will be sad if it all ends and to the detrement of us all.

Just one final point, there is no mystical pot of money in showing any more, there is no huge financial benefit to it, showing is an expensive hobby, the best will break even.

 

[upnortheast]

Over the years potter has a good track record for accuracy.
He has seen below the above mentioned iceberg and wants it stopped for very good reason.
Remember this is a public forum

 

[westwards]

Provocative journos tend to get more of an ear than those who aren`t. IP has become more and more provocative as this gets him recognition, the disappointment is that he is doing it by criticising the industry that has been very good to him over the years. I am all for asking honest questions but you only need to read the weekly bulletin to realise some buyers/processors get ripped to shreds and some never get touched? Shame he has gone down this route.

Is he not just doing the dirty work for RABDF who seem to be at war with Holstein UK.

Well said Stablegirl most of the comments on here will come from folk who do not ever show a cow !!