Is it best to bale for dd 2nd wheat?

[Joe Boy]

I have only tried one field of second wheat and it was very sic and slow to grow. Looks ok now but has not tillered nearly as well as the 1st wheats.

I would have thought most of its lack of vigour could be overcome by removing the straw, as long as ground conditions are good at the time.

 

[Rainmaker]

Might have had too come in with the first N sooner to get a few branches?.
I've spun on the first N (100kg/ha urea) as soon as the tramlines can be seen on 2nd spring wheats in the past so the plants were not found wanting and had good results.

 

[Feldspar]

Autumn N (properly justified by FACTS adviser)? I find the Mzuri sweeps the straw away from the seeded row quite nicely if you don't use the following harrow too much which may help. Not sure if the Claydon does this as much.

 

[Acke]

I have one field with baled wheat and 2 with straw left over.
The baled is much better, this year we seed only after baled wheat straw.
The baled is mot far from OSR or peas befor!

 

[Rob Holmes]

Any issues with slugs?

 

[Acke]

Rob,
If you ask me, not normaly here on wheat, but mayby this year after much moisture ?

 

[Joe Boy]

I have one field with baled wheat and 2 with straw left over.
The baled is much better, this year we seed only after baled wheat straw.
The baled is mot far from OSR or peas befor!

This is what I suspected I would see if I did a comparison. I always go as early as I can travel with the first N anyway.

I find dd crops slower to get going in the spring as the soil is slower to warm up and dry. The crops catch up with cultivated crops later in the season by missing out or rushing through growth stages, the trouble is the bit they miss out on is tillering.

I think for dd it must be early planted to get the plants well established going into winter with nothing to hinder growth like rotting chopped straw.

 

[Joe Boy]

Autumn N (properly justified by FACTS adviser)? I find the Mzuri sweeps the straw away from the seeded row quite nicely if you don't use the following harrow too much which may help. Not sure if the Claydon does this as much.

I would like to try autumn N. Can chicken muck be applied in the autumn? I recon that would do the trick.

Even if the straw is not directly over the seedlings I still think it hinders growth. But yes the Claydon does sweep the straw away quite well.

 

[Hartwig]

Look what I did last year :

http://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index....rilling-photo-gallery.61/page-41#post-1185296

The wheat is close to harvest now and still looks perfect. The weather fas certainly well for what I did, if it were wet in autumn it could have turned out different. But it can be made with lots of straw !