Is leave on 31st Oct still the law?

[Agrivator]

If it is still the law that we leave on 31st October, and that seems to be the informed opinion, how can that law be changed?

This might sound naïve, but Parliament voted some time ago to leave on the 31st October, without specifying deal or no deal. So how can the Speaker, regardless of how biased he mat be, allow a second vote to repeal a law which a majority of MPS have already voted for?

Or did something in the Heinrich Himmler, sorry, the Hilary Ben act, repeal that Law?

 

[MiJ]

Is it a LAW?
Not to worry, I’m sure remoaners will find a way out - or rather - to stay in.

 

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Or did something in the Heinrich Himmler, sorry, the Hilary Ben act, repeal that Law?

His father served in the RAF, his Uncle died in WW11 and you take this cheap shot.
Shame on you.
Remove this tripe.

 

[Still Farming]

Think March 31st still Law to have left, still?

 

[M-J-G]

So if leaving on 31 Oct is the law, and we don't manage to do so, and Boris is in charge, does that mean that Boris will have broken the law?

 

[uztrac]

It would be great if the eu refused to grant an extention,then we have problem solved.

 

[Widgetone]

It would be great if the eu refused to grant an extention,then we have problem solved.

Yes, it is my understanding that the EU27 have that option within article 50.
But isn't it like the nuclear deterrent, nobody wants no deal?

 

[arcobob]

It would be great if the eu refused to grant an extention,then we have problem solved.

I am afraid they are in maximum damage mode so they will agree to an extension.

 

[arcobob]

Yes, it is my understanding that the EU27 have that option within article 50.
But isn't like the nuclear deterrent, nobody wants no deal?

My gut feeling is that 90% of Brexiteers would like a good deal and maximum on going cooperation but the realists knew right from the start that we were not going to get any sort of acceptable deal and for two reasons. Firstly the Remoaners will reject any deal especially once no deal is off the table and secondly the EU won`t offer a sensible deal for the very same reason.

 

[Widgetone]

My gut feeling is that 90% of Brexiteers would like a good deal and maximum on going cooperation but the realists knew right from the start that we were not going to get any sort of acceptable deal and for two reasons. Firstly the Remoaners will reject any deal especially once no deal is off the table and secondly the EU won`t offer a sensible deal for the very same reason.

Does that mean that only 10% of Brexiteers will support Farige then?

 

[arcobob]

Does that mean that only 10% of Brexiteers will support Farige then?

Not really what I was indicating since the support for Farage will depend on what happens to BJ and his blunderings. I belong to those who would like to see a deal but I always felt that it would not happen because Remainers will block it in order to derail Brexit and hard liners will also for a different reason. Thus my feeling that we should have got out on day one and started negotiating free of the wreckers.

 

[Danllan]

If it is still the law that we leave on 31st October, and that seems to be the informed opinion, how can that law be changed?

This might sound naïve, but Parliament voted some time ago to leave on the 31st October, without specifying deal or no deal. So how can the Speaker, regardless of how biased he mat be, allow a second vote to repeal a law which a majority of MPS have already voted for?

Or did something in the Heinrich Himmler, sorry, the Hilary Ben act, repeal that Law?

The doctrine of implied rescission applies to all law in this country; Parliament can not bind its
successors, or itself. If it passes a law that conflicts with an earlier one, the most recent one takes precedence.

However, the Benn-wrought European Union (Withdrawal) (No.2) Act 2019 does not specifically change the date of leaving (he didn't have the moral courage to try and do that), it merely obliges a PM to accept whatever the EU offers - this is the reality, because we all know that the Remainer majority in Parliament will do just that.

But it was not very well drafted, because it leaves sufficient 'wriggle' room for the Gov't and the PM to do, or to start to do several things.

His father served in the RAF, his Uncle died in WW11 and you take this cheap shot.
Shame on you.
Remove this tripe.

That same father, Tony, was also a democrat and along with Enoch Powell - his friend - believed that a) the People are sovereign, no Parliament and b) the EEC / EU was a fundamentally undemocratic organisation that the UK was best out of.

Hilary is a receipted hypocrite and liar. He is on the record - radio and tv interviews -as saying, before the Referendum, that however it went the result had to be respected, no ifs, no buts. He also voted for leaving and said many times that there should be no second referendum... remind us of his position now won't you? In case you won't... he is wanting to ignore the people's choice and is going back on his word.

 

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The doctrine of implied rescission applies to all law in this country; Parliament can not bind its
successors, or itself. If it passes a law that conflicts with an earlier one, the most recent one takes precedence.

However, the Benn-wrought European Union (Withdrawal) (No.2) Act 2019 does not specifically change the date of leaving (he didn't have the moral courage to try and do that), it merely obliges a PM to accept whatever the EU offers - this is the reality, because we all know that the Remainer majority in Parliament will do just that.

But it was not very well drafted, because it leaves sufficient 'wriggle' room for the Gov't and the PM to do, or to start to do several things.



That same father, Tony, was also a democrat and along with Enoch Powell - his friend - believed that a) the People are sovereign, no Parliament and b) the EEC / EU was a fundamentally undemocratic organisation that the UK was best out of.

Hilary is a receipted hypocrite and liar. He is on the record - radio and tv interviews -as saying, before the Referendum, that however it went the result had to be respected, no ifs, no buts. He also voted for leaving and said many times that there should be no second referendum... remind us of his position now won't you? In case you won't... he is wanting to ignore the people's choice and is going back on his word.

So do you also think that makes him comparable to a Nazi?

 

[Henarar]

His father served in the RAF, his Uncle died in WW11 and you take this cheap shot.
Shame on you.
Remove this tripe.

What did Heinrich's dad and uncle do with their lives ?

 

[Agrivator]

Is it also true that we are still in the EU until at least 31st October, and that before then we can veto any unanimous vote by the other 27 that wants to grant us an extension?

 

[Sweepa]

Do you think we are leaving?

 

[Still Farming]

What were the Supreme Court Judges vote in the referendum???

 

[MiJ]

My gut feeling is that 90% of Brexiteers would like a good deal and maximum on going cooperation but the realists knew right from the start that we were not going to get any sort of acceptable deal and for two reasons. Firstly the Remoaners will reject any deal especially once no deal is off the table and secondly the EU won`t offer a sensible deal for the very same reason.

Yes, hands are tied without the promise/threat of ‘No Deal’. Pathetic and contrived state of play.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Is it also true that we are still in the EU until at least 31st October, and that before then we can veto any unanimous vote by the other 27 that wants to grant us an extension?

If that happened, Boris would have nobody to blame for No Deal, which really isn't his style.

Ideally he will want to be able to blame one (or more) of the 27 if No Deal happens.

However, I think a suggested extension would need to come from the UK, rather than us being offered one by the EU (which isn't going to happen).

 

[MiJ]

However, I think a suggested extension would need to come from the UK, rather than us being offered one by the EU (which isn't going to happen).

I have just read a post on yahoo stating that the EU HAS already offered an extension - ???anyone.