Is osr really worth it ?

[Brisel]

Not convinced about the no herbicide required element to ploughing.

I agree. Wishful thinking!

 

[Elmsted]

Beware we grew stubble turnips followed by sring barley on one block of ground for many years then the club root set in and we haven't been able to grow turnips on that ground for the last twenty years.The only forage crop we can put on there now is typon as this is not affected by the club root.

Jed

Direct from Jed. Hence my post regarding type of rape grown.

 

[warksfarmer]

Why not just go WW/WB/WOSR/WW/Spuds or ditch a barley and go 2nd wheat.

Really not keen on osr so I need something in that slot. I am happy with ww/wb/...../ww/spuds. Winter Beans maybe but without simazine really not sure. Been told today by the boss that fallow is not an option so really I am looking for a rotation that can handle winter wheat, winter barley, spring barley and spuds on 15% per year.

Not ideal is it?

Maybe growing an old fashioned approached spring osr might be the key to this?

 

[Elmsted]

Really not keen on osr so I need something in that slot.
Maybe growing an old fashioned approached spring osr might be the key to this?

I know climate etc differences but in general terms we have drier springs than you do. Yet last year Spring rape was better than Winter. Too be straight much of 2011 planted winter did not grow due to drought. So went back in spring and planted spring in one pass. Result two lots of rape at harvest. Higher financial return from spring.

 

[Brisel]

Really not keen on osr so I need something in that slot. I am happy with ww/wb/...../ww/spuds. Winter Beans maybe but without simazine really not sure. Been told today by the boss that fallow is not an option so really I am looking for a rotation that can handle winter wheat, winter barley, spring barley and spuds on 15% per year.

Not ideal is it?

Maybe growing an old fashioned approached spring osr might be the key to this?

The only downside to spring osr is the September harvest date which doesn't leave much time to turn the ground around for 1st wheat. How about WW/SpB/WB/Other break or catch crop. There's a small risk of take all & spring barley volunteers in the winter barley. How about winter linseed? It would replace winter osr after the winter barley as you have plenty of time to get the seedbed right.

Until this year, winter osr out performed spring beans, osr, linseed (winter or spring) in terms of gross margin. Don't discount it just yet.

You can use Kerb (pre emergence only) & Crawler (pre & post em) on winter beans so the loss of simazine isn't too painful if you are targeting grass weeds.

 

[franklin]

When do you get the pots out of the ground? If you can get wheat in behind them, then after some spring rape ought be fine?

 

[DRC]

The only downside to spring osr is the September harvest date which doesn't leave much time to turn the ground around for 1st wheat. How about WW/SpB/WB/Other break or catch crop. There's a small risk of take all & spring barley volunteers in the winter barley. How about winter linseed? It would replace winter osr after the winter barley as you have plenty of time to get the seedbed right.

Until this year, winter osr out performed spring beans, osr, linseed (winter or spring) in terms of gross margin. Don't discount it just yet.

You can use Kerb (pre emergence only) & Crawler (pre & post em) on winter beans so the loss of simazine isn't too painful if you are targeting grass weeds.

What's the hurry with planting wheat.We often have best yields after maize sown late october.Too many people have this mindset that everthing has to be drilled in september.panic,panic.

 

[Andrew K]

We have just had this conversation , at the moment we are ww,wosr,ww,wosr, ww,spring beans , we arechanging to ww, spring wheat ,osr,ww, spring beans
we have 22 bangers out,

Rape is making all of us miserable .

its been in the ground for 7 months and is just existing

Mark,

Are you sure spring wheat will be off the ground early enough for following OSR, or are you going to broadcast pre harvest?

 

[Brisel]

What's the hurry with planting wheat.We often have best yields after maize sown late october.Too many people have this mindset that everthing has to be drilled in september.panic,panic.

Have you tried planting hundreds of acres of wheat on heavy land in October? Not something you want to sit around & wait for good weather when you know that the conditions are only going to get worse. October 2012 is a perfect example.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Really not keen on osr so I need something in that slot. I am happy with ww/wb/...../ww/spuds. Winter Beans maybe but without simazine really not sure. Been told today by the boss that fallow is not an option so really I am looking for a rotation that can handle winter wheat, winter barley, spring barley and spuds on 15% per year.

Not ideal is it?

Maybe growing an old fashioned approached spring osr might be the key to this?

Now wrong with rape lee, yes its a pain in the arse but its handy. Basically after ploughing the rape land you can drill WW from 5th september which could be before all the wheat is harvested anyway. It will give you a chunk of land that is done and drilled early. Spreads a few things. Can't understand if the land is so heavy how you manage to get spuds grown on it - must be a nightmare?

 

[warksfarmer]

Now wrong with rape lee, yes its a pain in the arse but its handy. Basically after ploughing the rape land you can drill WW from 5th september which could be before all the wheat is harvested anyway. It will give you a chunk of land that is done and drilled early. Spreads a few things. Can't understand if the land is so heavy how you manage to get spuds grown on it - must be a nightmare?

Spuds only go on the lighter stuff which is why I have two rotations.