Is the Covid19 hype now media driven???

Muck Spreader

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Limousin
Sorry, I was being sarcastic and I totally agree (have now put doodads around 'mythical' in my post to make it clear), but we were told back in the lockdown that herd immunity wouldn't be possible. However, here's a very interesting comparison for Sweden, France and Spain that I've just found:

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There is no real point in trying to compare a small country like Sweden with Spain France or the UK. If you compare it with it's neighbouring countries of Denmark, Norway or Finland, it has had a disastrous time, in terms of deaths and damage to it's economy. The Swedes have already started a public inquiry, and it will look at how covid deaths were classified and calculated etc compared to other counties.
 

Pasty

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Devon
The media do have alot to account for in this, and should be made accountable for spreading alot of fear amongst the population.

Yes there is a virus that has killed innocent people, but those numbers are still relatively low. When the beast from the east hit in 2018 55000 people died of the flu that winter.on average every year around 35000 die of the flu, so in 2018 where was the media when all those people were dieing.

On average around 1700 people a day die in the UK from all sorts of scenarios. It is a fact of life from the day we are born the clock is ticking and life is dangerous but that doesn't stop us from living and enjoying life.

This covid virus and the media shambles that has spread fear across alot of the population, has made some public almost forget that life is dangerous. You here reports of family's that have been sheilding since march. To me that is not living that is just existing what life is that living in fear.

Think we just need to come to terms to the fact that this is just another thing that can kill us.

And whilst this covid shenanigans goes on how many people are going to die of cancer because all treatments have been stopped.

There will be more people die of the back of covid due to mental health issues people that have lost everything. Due to a virus that has a very slight chance of killing you, that ever will that died of covid.

Personally think it is time we all just got on with our lives, and live each day to the full living a good life rather than a life of existence is what counts
Absolutely bang on. Great post.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
There is no real point in trying to compare a small country like Sweden with Spain France or the UK. If you compare it with it's neighbouring countries of Denmark, Norway or Finland, it has had a disastrous time, in terms of deaths and damage to it's economy. The Swedes have already started a public inquiry, and it will look at how covid deaths were classified and calculated etc compared to other counties.
I think you have to analyse all the data and adjust policies accordingly people quote the population of Sweden and its density compared with say the U.K but urban population densities are similar and 87% of Swedens population live in urban areas outside of these areas the population can be 3 per km squared. They are having a public inquiry because of care home deaths which like most countries are high. Obviously they don’t have a big transport hub like Heathrow but by now CV19 should be at much higher levels that they are. In Kenya there have been 36000 cases and about 650 deaths despite there being a slum in Nairobi with a population density of 300,000 people per km squared it is not simple but I will take Sweden over UK any day.
 

Ashtree

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It rained on my hay this year. The media had said the week would be dry, warm and sunny.
Is the weather now driven by media hype?
 

Muck Spreader

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Location
Limousin
I think you have to analyse all the data and adjust policies accordingly people quote the population of Sweden and its density compared with say the U.K but urban population densities are similar and 87% of Swedens population live in urban areas outside of these areas the population can be 3 per km squared. They are having a public inquiry because of care home deaths which like most countries are high. Obviously they don’t have a big transport hub like Heathrow but by now CV19 should be at much higher levels that they are. In Kenya there have been 36000 cases and about 650 deaths despite there being a slum in Nairobi with a population density of 300,000 people per km squared it is not simple but I will take Sweden over UK any day.
Agree, as at least they have a test and trace system that appears to work even if it's slightly DIY. But I would still sooner be in Denmark, Norway or Finland over Sweden.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin, France
Is 42,000 deaths really a big deal?

70,000 people a year die from dementia in the UK annually, 165,000 die from cancer and 42,000 under 75’s die of heart disease every year ….. so putting it in perspective it could be argued 42,000 Coronavirus deaths is no big deal and certainly not worth trashing the economy for

Between 12,000 and 28,000 die of ‘flu each year depending on how bad the season is so Corona is only twice as bad as a bad ‘flu year.

Also pandemics have been a recurrent theme throughout history, the Antonine Plague between 165-180 AD killed an estimated 5 million and many say it led to the fall of the Roman Empire.

Bubonic Plague killed 200 million and closer to us time wise Spanish ‘Flu killed 40-50 million.

Therefore it could be argued there has been a gross over reaction worldwide to the pandemic, with modern travel viruses are going to travel the world more easily, that’s the price of “progress”

Is destroying the economy the right price to pay?

What number of deaths would be deemed acceptable – it’s a very debatable point, I would consider 42,000 relatively low. Personally I wouldn’t even fret if the UK death toll reached 250,000.

At the end of the day every one of us is going to die – does it really matter if it happens today, tomorrow or many years or decades in the future?

People get too hung up by their own mortality.

Fine, try and find a vaccine, find treatments, but don’t cause more problems by bringing in restrictions, many of which have no proven benefit.

Let people make informed choices.

Some will raise the question, what about the vulnerable and it’s a fair point – Granny is more at risk but again it’s an informed choice to be made by the family.

What is the risk of catching Coronavirus against catching something else or having a serious fall or being involved in an accident. Or being kicked by a cow ?

Life is full of risks it’s just this one has seemingly been blown out of all proportion fanned by mass hysteria, not helped by the media.

I don’t envy any Government dealing with this mess , it’s times like this party politics should be put aside in a bi-partisan approach

The number of deaths from other causes will rise because of the concentration on Coronavirus and these will, in all probability, exceed 42,000
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Is 42,000 deaths really a big deal?

70,000 people a year die from dementia in the UK annually, 165,000 die from cancer and 42,000 under 75’s die of heart disease every year ….. so putting it in perspective it could be argued 42,000 Coronavirus deaths is no big deal and certainly not worth trashing the economy for

Between 12,000 and 28,000 die of ‘flu each year depending on how bad the season is so Corona is only twice as bad as a bad ‘flu year.

Also pandemics have been a recurrent theme throughout history, the Antonine Plague between 165-180 AD killed an estimated 5 million and many say it led to the fall of the Roman Empire.

Bubonic Plague killed 200 million and closer to us time wise Spanish ‘Flu killed 40-50 million.

Therefore it could be argued there has been a gross over reaction worldwide to the pandemic, with modern travel viruses are going to travel the world more easily, that’s the price of “progress”

Is destroying the economy the right price to pay?

What number of deaths would be deemed acceptable – it’s a very debatable point, I would consider 42,000 relatively low. Personally I wouldn’t even fret if the UK death toll reached 250,000.

At the end of the day every one of us is going to die – does it really matter if it happens today, tomorrow or many years or decades in the future?

People get too hung up by their own mortality.

Fine, try and find a vaccine, find treatments, but don’t cause more problems by bringing in restrictions, many of which have no proven benefit.

Let people make informed choices.

Some will raise the question, what about the vulnerable and it’s a fair point – Granny is more at risk but again it’s an informed choice to be made by the family.

What is the risk of catching Coronavirus against catching something else or having a serious fall or being involved in an accident. Or being kicked by a cow ?

Life is full of risks it’s just this one has seemingly been blown out of all proportion fanned by mass hysteria, not helped by the media.

I don’t envy any Government dealing with this mess , it’s times like this party politics should be put aside in a bi-partisan approach

The number of deaths from other causes will rise because of the concentration on Coronavirus and these will, in all probability, exceed 42,000
That is a very brave post no one has exactly had the courage to say that. The problem is always that someone will say what if it were your parent/grandparent. As long as it isn’t my kids I am pretty o.k . We all have to look after ourselves the best we can. The funny thing is that it is now the Government that’s panicking it could be that they know more than we do I have feeling that it is more likely that they’ve been found out.
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
Is 42,000 deaths really a big deal?

70,000 people a year die from dementia in the UK annually, 165,000 die from cancer and 42,000 under 75’s die of heart disease every year ….. so putting it in perspective it could be argued 42,000 Coronavirus deaths is no big deal and certainly not worth trashing the economy for

Between 12,000 and 28,000 die of ‘flu each year depending on how bad the season is so Corona is only twice as bad as a bad ‘flu year.

Also pandemics have been a recurrent theme throughout history, the Antonine Plague between 165-180 AD killed an estimated 5 million and many say it led to the fall of the Roman Empire.

Bubonic Plague killed 200 million and closer to us time wise Spanish ‘Flu killed 40-50 million.

Therefore it could be argued there has been a gross over reaction worldwide to the pandemic, with modern travel viruses are going to travel the world more easily, that’s the price of “progress”

Is destroying the economy the right price to pay?

What number of deaths would be deemed acceptable – it’s a very debatable point, I would consider 42,000 relatively low. Personally I wouldn’t even fret if the UK death toll reached 250,000.

At the end of the day every one of us is going to die – does it really matter if it happens today, tomorrow or many years or decades in the future?

People get too hung up by their own mortality.

Fine, try and find a vaccine, find treatments, but don’t cause more problems by bringing in restrictions, many of which have no proven benefit.

Let people make informed choices.

Some will raise the question, what about the vulnerable and it’s a fair point – Granny is more at risk but again it’s an informed choice to be made by the family.

What is the risk of catching Coronavirus against catching something else or having a serious fall or being involved in an accident. Or being kicked by a cow ?

Life is full of risks it’s just this one has seemingly been blown out of all proportion fanned by mass hysteria, not helped by the media.

I don’t envy any Government dealing with this mess , it’s times like this party politics should be put aside in a bi-partisan approach

The number of deaths from other causes will rise because of the concentration on Coronavirus and these will, in all probability, exceed 42,000
Marry me. Unless you are a bloke. Great post.
 

br jones

Member
Is 42,000 deaths really a big deal?

70,000 people a year die from dementia in the UK annually, 165,000 die from cancer and 42,000 under 75’s die of heart disease every year ….. so putting it in perspective it could be argued 42,000 Coronavirus deaths is no big deal and certainly not worth trashing the economy for

Between 12,000 and 28,000 die of ‘flu each year depending on how bad the season is so Corona is only twice as bad as a bad ‘flu year.

Also pandemics have been a recurrent theme throughout history, the Antonine Plague between 165-180 AD killed an estimated 5 million and many say it led to the fall of the Roman Empire.

Bubonic Plague killed 200 million and closer to us time wise Spanish ‘Flu killed 40-50 million.

Therefore it could be argued there has been a gross over reaction worldwide to the pandemic, with modern travel viruses are going to travel the world more easily, that’s the price of “progress”

Is destroying the economy the right price to pay?

What number of deaths would be deemed acceptable – it’s a very debatable point, I would consider 42,000 relatively low. Personally I wouldn’t even fret if the UK death toll reached 250,000.

At the end of the day every one of us is going to die – does it really matter if it happens today, tomorrow or many years or decades in the future?

People get too hung up by their own mortality.

Fine, try and find a vaccine, find treatments, but don’t cause more problems by bringing in restrictions, many of which have no proven benefit.

Let people make informed choices.

Some will raise the question, what about the vulnerable and it’s a fair point – Granny is more at risk but again it’s an informed choice to be made by the family.

What is the risk of catching Coronavirus against catching something else or having a serious fall or being involved in an accident. Or being kicked by a cow ?

Life is full of risks it’s just this one has seemingly been blown out of all proportion fanned by mass hysteria, not helped by the media.

I don’t envy any Government dealing with this mess , it’s times like this party politics should be put aside in a bi-partisan approach

The number of deaths from other causes will rise because of the concentration on Coronavirus and these will, in all probability, exceed 42,000
Around 500000 deaths a year from maleria
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
I keep repeating the fact that a child dies every 2 minutes from malaria in Africa. If they were blonde and blue eyed people would be more concerned
Probably not helped by Bill and Melinda and their 'vaccination' experiments. Unfortunately most of the evidence has been deleted but it ain't pretty. These are one of the biggest donors to the WHO. If you wanted human subjects to experiment on with not much media, where would you go?
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Probably not helped by Bill and Melinda and their 'vaccination' experiments. Unfortunately most of the evidence has been deleted but it ain't pretty. These are one of the biggest donors to the WHO. If you wanted human subjects to experiment on with not much media, where would you go?
The problem with donating money to Africa is management the idea in principle is great and people like the Gates foundation have money to burn so they chuck it everywhere but honestly funding anything in Africa is pointless best keep your money in your pocket because it ends up in the hands of thieves, conmen and in this case mad scientists.
 
Location
East Mids
3 things:
42,000 is WITH precautions. What would it have been without? And BTW we have not yet had a full year we've only had 6 months.
Dementia not contagious.
Billions of pounds over many years has been spent on controlling some of the other diseases quoted - and for example, for flu that is WITH a vaccine, although admittedly it is not always for the right strain (as it varies year on year) and not everyone who should take it does so.

I know of several people who had Covid 19 they are healthy, under 50 with no underlying health issues. Did not have severe symptoms and were not hospitalised. However, they are now receiving ongoing investigations/treatment/having to take time off work due to post viral fatigue, chest tightness and breathlessness. That tends to get largely overlooked in these debates, which tend to concentrate rather crudely at deaths.
 

robs1

Member
3 things:
42,000 is WITH precautions. What would it have been without? And BTW we have not yet had a full year we've only had 6 months.
Dementia not contagious.
Billions of pounds over many years has been spent on controlling some of the other diseases quoted - and for example, for flu that is WITH a vaccine, although admittedly it is not always for the right strain (as it varies year on year) and not everyone who should take it does so.

I know of several people who had Covid 19 they are healthy, under 50 with no underlying health issues. Did not have severe symptoms and were not hospitalised. However, they are now receiving ongoing investigations/treatment/having to take time off work due to post viral fatigue, chest tightness and breathlessness. That tends to get largely overlooked in these debates, which tend to concentrate rather crudely at deaths.
Many viruses leave people with post viral fatigue,
 

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