Thank you for posting that. About time.
Is the Covid19 hype now media driven???
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Danllan
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No. Eugenics is the deliberate breeding toward beneficial traits, nothing like what you've written above.
As for the rest, I'm confused by the way it reads, you seem to advocate what you have just condemned... I think no death should be taken lightly or brushed aside. But, when there are finite resources, it is rational to place more value on and therefore more resources toward a person with both a greater chance of survival and of a longer life of good quality, than toward someone who has little chance of survival, and then for only a relatively short time, and a life of a poor quality.
This apples to me, my mother, my children, your mother, you and everyone else - and, as you probably know already, but your son will tell you if honest, the judgements of that last paragraph are made on that basis in every hospital, every day.
But the point that has been made by others, that we have to get on with life, is valid. If we don't, there won't be an NHS, or schools or much else, because there won't be the money to pay for them all. People will die from Covid, it's horrible, but it will happen, although we should try and mitigate this as far as we practicably may; but it will happen, because everyone will get it sooner or later. But driving on the roads kills too, a lot, so we have made rules within which we reduce road-deaths to what society as a whole sees as 'acceptable' relative to the benefits gained from driving; the same goes and will go for Covid.
Neither was there Twitter and Facebook etc etc,which has its place BUT not to rule some people’s lives and manipulate their judgement,leading more and more to a civilisation across the globe that is lacking in common sense.
Neither was there Twitter and Facebook etc etc,which has its place BUT not to rule some people’s lives and manipulate their judgement,leading more and more to a civilisation across the globe that is lacking in common sense.
Why stop at grandads time?
There is no future in the past!
It's not my place to suggest what cowgirl meant but I believe her criticism was of people 'not taking Covid seriously'. When it's icy, it makes sense to step carefully, consider what shoes you wear and especially when driving to observe common-sense. There are very many people, many on this forum, who appear to suggest we don't give a toss. Is there something wrong in wanting people to consider their behaviour and (heaven forbid) adapting a little to see if it might mitigate against the spread of the virus?
I knew a doctor who incidently was the Queens doctor when at Sandringham. He and I were about the same age and one day we were discussing the big influx of retirees coming into Norfolk and placing a huge burden on the local GPs. We were in our early fifties at the time and he said, tongue in cheek, that all people should be shot when they reached the age of sixty five. as he reached sixty I asked him if he should be moving the goalposts and he agreed that he had been a bit hasty. Sadly he never made sixty five, taken by a very aggressive cancer.
The point I am making is that the time for dying is not measured in years but more to do with quality of life. The gung ho commentators on here will one day understand.
The point I am making is that the time for dying is not measured in years but more to do with quality of life. The gung ho commentators on here will one day understand.
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But we can and should learn from the past. Pandemics in the past have been studied, and we should use that knowledge.
I have seen in all sorts of media the growing number of people who think it is all a hoax, so take no precautions, and spread the virus. They ignore the sick and dying, and all those who would have lived. Shameful.
Then there are the "let the oldies die" group. Maybe this is OK for them, but not for the oldies.
Yes, go to the pub and then the club, then go home and kill Granny. How will you feel a few years down the line knowing your actions killed family members and strangers?
I know my views are coloured by my age, but if the virus suddenly started killing 30-40 age group in large numbers, I can bet a lot of people ignoring precautions would suddenly start being careful!
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I would suggest "Eugenics" is wholly appropriate in this instance. And especially by proposing that older or weaker members of society take their chance and possible death with the rest of us, in order to limit the economic damage would certainly fit a Eugenic criteria.
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Then you suggest wrongly and clearly don't understand what the word means.
For 'eugenics' to be applicable, you'd have to be actively removing some of these from the gene-pool, i.e. prevent them breeding. What happens, and what I have stated, is not that.
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Grey lives matter!
Grey lives matter!
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By exposing a preselected sub group of the population to the virus, you are doing exactly that.
" The Third Reich fell decades ago, but the idea it was built upon did not die. Some life is still unworthy of life. For today’s eugenicists, the coronavirus isn’t a calamity. It’s the means to an end." Intelligencer Mag
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you would do well to remember that
I am not going to argue about the definition of eugenics - perhaps what I said is not strictly correct, but the principle of younger people not caring if the elderly die is similar - I just couldn’t think of another word. It’s irrelevant anyway - others on here knew what I meant.
Incidentally my son said that the decision about who went to intensive care was not based on age, but on fitness - whose body was able to withstand two weeks of general anaesthesia if ventilation was required.
This virus is not flu - it causes a nasty vasculitis which can affect any organ including the brain and heart, catastrophic immune reaction and severe hypoxia (low oxygen level) even in people who are not breathless (“happy hypoxics) - this causes organ failure often before people are sick enough to ring for an ambulance.
Personally I think the media needs to hype it up even more - we are in for a rough winter.
Incidentally my son said that the decision about who went to intensive care was not based on age, but on fitness - whose body was able to withstand two weeks of general anaesthesia if ventilation was required.
This virus is not flu - it causes a nasty vasculitis which can affect any organ including the brain and heart, catastrophic immune reaction and severe hypoxia (low oxygen level) even in people who are not breathless (“happy hypoxics) - this causes organ failure often before people are sick enough to ring for an ambulance.
Personally I think the media needs to hype it up even more - we are in for a rough winter.
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The question is: Is the Covid-19 hype now media driven? The problem is hype implies that Covid-19 isn’t real something it most definitely is. However for the media this really is easy pickings something that in a time of lockdown is easily reported from home no need to venture out to get to the root of the problem. At the start the media turned this into the Black Death something they cannot back away from without looking stupid as soon as infections and deaths start to decline they start talking about the second wave. The government tries to get people back to work but having had the living daylights frightened out of them people don’t believe what they are being told. I had to get rid of our pigs this Spring because our worker at home in Lincoln refused to leave his house because the virus would kill him and his family his wife was so frightened by what she had read she wouldn’t let him leave the village. You mention your 91 year old mother well my 81 year old father cannot get an appointment with his gp which is fair enough except he is suffering from dementia so how do you have a telephone consultation with a nutter so he has struggled through this because no one was prepared to examine him. My wife cannot have her operation because travelling is nigh on impossible so she could die too. Lots of us are suffering because of Covid but no one says leave the old to die we aren’t Vikings but people need to know the risks so we can carry on without destroying the economy because if we don’t there won’t be any money to pay for anything.
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BA are flying from Nairobi to London on a regular basis - you could have her on a flight home tomorrow if you wanted (or wait until Saturday/ Sunday and it's a bit cheaper). 4x a week flights, and tons of availability on seats.
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Sweden was right to put two fingers up to us
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We’ve just booked our flights to Sweden next month: a four-day trip to a country I so admire for its two-fingers up to conventional wisdom in the world of medical science and epidemiology.
After some preposterous modelling of likely deaths from Covid-19 by Professor Neil Ferguson and his Imperial College crew, British politicians panicked. The Swedes, led by their chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, didn’t. Britain and Sweden had wanted to control rather than try to eliminate the virus, letting it spread slowly through the population until a measure of general immunity was reached. We lost our nerve and Sweden was left almost alone in the world (and widely condemned: Swedish scientists applying Imperial’s model predicted 85,000 deaths there; the total so far is 5,851).
They proceeded with a mostly voluntary, common-sense code — schools, factories, businesses and restaurants stayed open — while we took a wrecking ball to our economy. Spain, which reacted with the fiercest lockdown, now tops the league of “second-wave” infection. Sweden is at the bottom.
We plan to see something of Stockholm, dine out, visit museums and galleries, take the train to Gothenburg and (speaking for myself) give a respectful bow in the general direction of Dr Tegnell.
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We’ve just booked our flights to Sweden next month: a four-day trip to a country I so admire for its two-fingers up to conventional wisdom in the world of medical science and epidemiology.
After some preposterous modelling of likely deaths from Covid-19 by Professor Neil Ferguson and his Imperial College crew, British politicians panicked. The Swedes, led by their chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, didn’t. Britain and Sweden had wanted to control rather than try to eliminate the virus, letting it spread slowly through the population until a measure of general immunity was reached. We lost our nerve and Sweden was left almost alone in the world (and widely condemned: Swedish scientists applying Imperial’s model predicted 85,000 deaths there; the total so far is 5,851).
They proceeded with a mostly voluntary, common-sense code — schools, factories, businesses and restaurants stayed open — while we took a wrecking ball to our economy. Spain, which reacted with the fiercest lockdown, now tops the league of “second-wave” infection. Sweden is at the bottom.
We plan to see something of Stockholm, dine out, visit museums and galleries, take the train to Gothenburg and (speaking for myself) give a respectful bow in the general direction of Dr Tegnell.
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You have to quarantine for two weeks in UK obviously if you’re going to hospital you can probably do it there but you cannot move around or travel back and forwards because you may have to quarantine in Kenya as well. In normal conditions I would travel with her settle her in go back to the farm in Kenya then travel back etc. A negative cv19 test is unacceptable in UK you must still quarantine. It’s possible but not easy however.
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Agreed it’s not easy, but for cancer treatment I wouldn’t let a fortnight of being in the house hold your wife back.
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Yes but again she doesn’t want to be on her own nor to burden the kids. Also you don’t just pitch up at a Clinic these days. If it were desperate obviously you work a way around it but these are strange days indeed and what would have been simple is difficult.