But is there a difference between long term exposure to dirt (good) and diesel particulate emissions for instance? I don't think we can trust any of the data coming out of China at the moment.
Is the Covid19 hype now media driven???
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Maybe but I have travelled extensively in China and it’s dirty and it’s polluted so maybe the two together plus it has a younger population also I have seen some data that says ex smokers are less at risk. I think everyone is manipulating figures to justify their stance.
And all of those will go down as COVID deaths if they tested positive for it.
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There is some evidence that smokers are actually at less risk of catching Covid-19, but if they do it tends to be more severe.
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This whole thing is becoming farcical! The government are taking powers to fine people £10k for not self isolating yet you cannot get a Covid-19 test out of a world beating test and trace system for love nor money. Johnson really is a pee taker.
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Cancer Research UK is reporting 3 million missed screening appointments for various cancers since lockdown began in March and an estimated 350,000 fewer patients than normal have been referred for an urgent cancer investigation. According to NHS England figures, 207,000 people have started cancer treatment between March and July which is 85% of the number from the same period last year.
That's just figures for cancer. I haven't tried to find those for undiagnosed or untreated heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, etc. since lockdown began.
If you add the lives also ruined by mental health problems created and/or exacerbated since March it's pretty clear that the longterm effects of the lockdown are going to be worse than cv19.
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Goodness if this article in todays Times is correct there are some Tories with the snouts well and truly in the trough. Presume Bojo is taking 10% of their directors payments as reward for giving them the job. Gracious some nepotism.
Rugby stars dodge testing chaos thanks to Randox lab that misses targets for public
A company working for the government is completing fewer than 10% of tests on time while signing lucrative private contracts
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Sunday September 20 2020, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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The UK’s biggest Covid-19 testing laboratory is prioritising Premiership Rugby players and travellers to Dubai while failing to meet government targets for the public, according to company insiders.
Randox Laboratories, based in Co Antrim, Northern Ireland, won a £133m testing contract unopposed in March. It is responsible for a quarter of community tests in the UK.
However, leaked documents marked “sensitive” reveal that it regularly fails to provide test results within the official 24-hour target. On September 9, Randox completed fewer than one in 10 tests on time. It has also “voided” more tests than any laboratory — meaning the number it throws away because of errors.
Yet, according to staff, tests taken by rugby players and coaching staff are sent to Antrim via helicopter every week and are granted immediate “priority status”.
On September 2 — the same day that it voided 12,401 tests without explanation — Randox said it was “delighted” to sign a new deal to screen airline travellers to Dubai.
The company, founded by polo-playing millionaire Peter FitzGerald, 70, in a chicken shed at his parents’ house in Crumlin, Co Antrim, in 1982, employs more than 1,500 people, from its headquarters in Co Antrim to offices in India, Brazil and America among others, and has many links to the powerful and glamorous.
The Tory MP Owen Paterson, 64, who served as Northern Ireland secretary for two years under the coalition government, is a consultant for Randox. He receives £8,333 a month for his services — or £100,000 a year, easily eclipsing his MP’s salary. He has previously lobbied the government on behalf of the firm.
Three years ago Randox raised its profile by signing a multimillion-pound deal to sponsor the most famous horse race in the UK sporting calendar, the Grand National. Until her death earlier this year, Paterson’s wife, Rose, chaired Aintree racecourse. She also served on the board of the Jockey Club alongside Baroness Harding, who is also married to a Tory MP, the former Northern Ireland minister John Penrose, and owns horses that race in the Grand National.
Having previously chaired NHS Improvement, which oversees NHS trusts, Harding was appointed head of the government’s test-and-trace programme in May.
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When the Department of Health and Social Care awarded Randox the contract to provide virus testing, it raised questions. Why was it awarded the contract? Was it a suitable firm for the job?
Testing boss Baroness Harding at the Grand National — sponsored by Randox
STEVEN CARGILL
Randox had been embroiled in a scandal when it emerged that its staff had manipulated forensic tests used to convict motorists on drug-driving offences.
Dozens of people had their convictions quashed in 2018 and the National Police Chiefs’ Council criticised a “most serious breach” of standards.
Less than two years later, Randox was judged an appropriate company to carry out a key contract for the nation’s “world-beating” test programme.
Randox insists that Owen Paterson had no role in its winning the contract. But since it started work in March, the questions have not gone away.
In July, Randox was forced to recall half a million test kits — many destined for care homes — after checks revealed they were not sterile. The government responded by saying Randox was being “phased out”.
However, the company continues to play a vital role in the testing programme ahead of a second wave. Its laboratories are supposed to cover about a quarter of testing demand for people outside of hospitals, according to leaked figures.
We revealed last week that the firm was disposing of up to 12,400 used test kits a day, and had a higher “void rate” — that is, the number of swabs thrown away because of human error — than almost any other laboratory.
Yet despite these problems, Randox has recently taken on new commercial testing contracts.
As well as a contract with the United Arab Emirates to test passengers, it is providing test kits for players and coaching staff in Premiership Rugby, which resumed its season last month on the condition that those involved would receive regular testing. There are suggestions the company is also negotiating a contract for commercial testing with the chemist chain Boots, which Randox does not deny.
The laboratory operates a traffic-light system, with colours assigned in order of priority. Green samples — those that are less than a day old — are the lowest priority. Red samples — which can be three days old — are the highest priority, as with every passing hour the samples become less reliable.
Randox says its traffic-light system is standard practice for processing a large volume of tests. However, staff allege that tests from rugby players are flown in by helicopter on Monday evenings and that these “priority samples” are fast-tracked, with the results available usually by 9am the next day. It is also claimed that those travelling to Dubai receive similar VIP treatment.
A question that has gripped officials within government is: why is Randox apparently unable to get its act together?
The answer, say sources, is that it has simply taken on too much work, so cannot process tests quickly enough for them to remain “stable” — the period in which the DNA sample derived from saliva delivers accurate results.
Because of the sheer scale of swabs received and claims of staff shortages, sources say tests are increasingly put in freezers or subject to days-long delays before analysis.
One insider claims the situation had led to a literal backlog of tests trailing outside of the laboratory. “These usually occupy the delivery area and the hangar, which is basically an outdoor space but with a roof,” they said.
Staff are already working overtime to try to clear the backlog, with many doing 12-hour shifts in spurts of four days on, four days off. The shift patterns are irregular — one employee said her shift times had been changed at short notice — and antisocial, with nights the norm. Working in full PPE, one insider described the labs as a “sweatbox”.
Many staff are temporary workers in a role that is attractive to students: it pays weekly, and they get overtime and antisocial-hours pay. However, because of their age, many of the students are paid just £8.20 an hour.
Just as the labs have been hit with increased demand as pupils return to school and infections rise again, the labs are set to lose a chunk of their student workforce who will return to university.
This is compounded by the problem of staff going on holiday. A source alleged: “Managers are getting stressed out over staying on top of these deliveries and backlogs, which is understandable, but ... they [the management] seem to be requesting more and more samples to be sent to Randox, even though we were at capacity from taking samples that were meant to be going to an NHS lab that closed.”
The shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, said: “Parents sick with worry and desperate for a test for a poorly child will be disgusted at news they are pushed to the back of the queue because of a private company’s commercial priorities. Testing has become a shambles.
Randox acknowledged last night that it was operating “at and beyond capacity” and receiving samples “in excess of daily capacity” from the government.
It said: “Randox takes great care in meeting all its contractual obligations and fully recognises the critical importance of meeting those obligations with regard to the national testing programme. Randox does not prioritise commercial work ahead of other work streams.
“We do not comment on commercial matters. We do not have a practice of voiding high numbers of test kits on a daily basis. On average the Randox void rate is comparable across the programme.”
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Rugby stars dodge testing chaos thanks to Randox lab that misses targets for public
A company working for the government is completing fewer than 10% of tests on time while signing lucrative private contracts
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Sunday September 20 2020, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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The UK’s biggest Covid-19 testing laboratory is prioritising Premiership Rugby players and travellers to Dubai while failing to meet government targets for the public, according to company insiders.
Randox Laboratories, based in Co Antrim, Northern Ireland, won a £133m testing contract unopposed in March. It is responsible for a quarter of community tests in the UK.
However, leaked documents marked “sensitive” reveal that it regularly fails to provide test results within the official 24-hour target. On September 9, Randox completed fewer than one in 10 tests on time. It has also “voided” more tests than any laboratory — meaning the number it throws away because of errors.
Yet, according to staff, tests taken by rugby players and coaching staff are sent to Antrim via helicopter every week and are granted immediate “priority status”.
On September 2 — the same day that it voided 12,401 tests without explanation — Randox said it was “delighted” to sign a new deal to screen airline travellers to Dubai.
The company, founded by polo-playing millionaire Peter FitzGerald, 70, in a chicken shed at his parents’ house in Crumlin, Co Antrim, in 1982, employs more than 1,500 people, from its headquarters in Co Antrim to offices in India, Brazil and America among others, and has many links to the powerful and glamorous.
The Tory MP Owen Paterson, 64, who served as Northern Ireland secretary for two years under the coalition government, is a consultant for Randox. He receives £8,333 a month for his services — or £100,000 a year, easily eclipsing his MP’s salary. He has previously lobbied the government on behalf of the firm.
Three years ago Randox raised its profile by signing a multimillion-pound deal to sponsor the most famous horse race in the UK sporting calendar, the Grand National. Until her death earlier this year, Paterson’s wife, Rose, chaired Aintree racecourse. She also served on the board of the Jockey Club alongside Baroness Harding, who is also married to a Tory MP, the former Northern Ireland minister John Penrose, and owns horses that race in the Grand National.
Having previously chaired NHS Improvement, which oversees NHS trusts, Harding was appointed head of the government’s test-and-trace programme in May.
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When the Department of Health and Social Care awarded Randox the contract to provide virus testing, it raised questions. Why was it awarded the contract? Was it a suitable firm for the job?
Testing boss Baroness Harding at the Grand National — sponsored by Randox
STEVEN CARGILL
Randox had been embroiled in a scandal when it emerged that its staff had manipulated forensic tests used to convict motorists on drug-driving offences.
Dozens of people had their convictions quashed in 2018 and the National Police Chiefs’ Council criticised a “most serious breach” of standards.
Less than two years later, Randox was judged an appropriate company to carry out a key contract for the nation’s “world-beating” test programme.
Randox insists that Owen Paterson had no role in its winning the contract. But since it started work in March, the questions have not gone away.
In July, Randox was forced to recall half a million test kits — many destined for care homes — after checks revealed they were not sterile. The government responded by saying Randox was being “phased out”.
However, the company continues to play a vital role in the testing programme ahead of a second wave. Its laboratories are supposed to cover about a quarter of testing demand for people outside of hospitals, according to leaked figures.
We revealed last week that the firm was disposing of up to 12,400 used test kits a day, and had a higher “void rate” — that is, the number of swabs thrown away because of human error — than almost any other laboratory.
Yet despite these problems, Randox has recently taken on new commercial testing contracts.
As well as a contract with the United Arab Emirates to test passengers, it is providing test kits for players and coaching staff in Premiership Rugby, which resumed its season last month on the condition that those involved would receive regular testing. There are suggestions the company is also negotiating a contract for commercial testing with the chemist chain Boots, which Randox does not deny.
The laboratory operates a traffic-light system, with colours assigned in order of priority. Green samples — those that are less than a day old — are the lowest priority. Red samples — which can be three days old — are the highest priority, as with every passing hour the samples become less reliable.
Randox says its traffic-light system is standard practice for processing a large volume of tests. However, staff allege that tests from rugby players are flown in by helicopter on Monday evenings and that these “priority samples” are fast-tracked, with the results available usually by 9am the next day. It is also claimed that those travelling to Dubai receive similar VIP treatment.
A question that has gripped officials within government is: why is Randox apparently unable to get its act together?
The answer, say sources, is that it has simply taken on too much work, so cannot process tests quickly enough for them to remain “stable” — the period in which the DNA sample derived from saliva delivers accurate results.
Because of the sheer scale of swabs received and claims of staff shortages, sources say tests are increasingly put in freezers or subject to days-long delays before analysis.
One insider claims the situation had led to a literal backlog of tests trailing outside of the laboratory. “These usually occupy the delivery area and the hangar, which is basically an outdoor space but with a roof,” they said.
Staff are already working overtime to try to clear the backlog, with many doing 12-hour shifts in spurts of four days on, four days off. The shift patterns are irregular — one employee said her shift times had been changed at short notice — and antisocial, with nights the norm. Working in full PPE, one insider described the labs as a “sweatbox”.
Many staff are temporary workers in a role that is attractive to students: it pays weekly, and they get overtime and antisocial-hours pay. However, because of their age, many of the students are paid just £8.20 an hour.
Just as the labs have been hit with increased demand as pupils return to school and infections rise again, the labs are set to lose a chunk of their student workforce who will return to university.
This is compounded by the problem of staff going on holiday. A source alleged: “Managers are getting stressed out over staying on top of these deliveries and backlogs, which is understandable, but ... they [the management] seem to be requesting more and more samples to be sent to Randox, even though we were at capacity from taking samples that were meant to be going to an NHS lab that closed.”
The shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, said: “Parents sick with worry and desperate for a test for a poorly child will be disgusted at news they are pushed to the back of the queue because of a private company’s commercial priorities. Testing has become a shambles.
Randox acknowledged last night that it was operating “at and beyond capacity” and receiving samples “in excess of daily capacity” from the government.
It said: “Randox takes great care in meeting all its contractual obligations and fully recognises the critical importance of meeting those obligations with regard to the national testing programme. Randox does not prioritise commercial work ahead of other work streams.
“We do not comment on commercial matters. We do not have a practice of voiding high numbers of test kits on a daily basis. On average the Randox void rate is comparable across the programme.”
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Chopsy Varmint
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This is probably just the tip of the iceberg for Westminster cronyism and profiteering. I doubt it's limited to the Tories.Goodness if this article in todays Times is correct there are some Tories with the snouts well and truly in the trough. Presume Bojo is taking 10% of their directors payments as reward for giving them the job. Gracious some nepotism.
Rugby stars dodge testing chaos thanks to Randox lab that misses targets for public
A company working for the government is completing fewer than 10% of tests on time while signing lucrative private contracts
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Sunday September 20 2020, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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The UK’s biggest Covid-19 testing laboratory is prioritising Premiership Rugby players and travellers to Dubai while failing to meet government targets for the public, according to company insiders.
Randox Laboratories, based in Co Antrim, Northern Ireland, won a £133m testing contract unopposed in March. It is responsible for a quarter of community tests in the UK.
However, leaked documents marked “sensitive” reveal that it regularly fails to provide test results within the official 24-hour target. On September 9, Randox completed fewer than one in 10 tests on time. It has also “voided” more tests than any laboratory — meaning the number it throws away because of errors.
Yet, according to staff, tests taken by rugby players and coaching staff are sent to Antrim via helicopter every week and are granted immediate “priority status”.
On September 2 — the same day that it voided 12,401 tests without explanation — Randox said it was “delighted” to sign a new deal to screen airline travellers to Dubai.
The company, founded by polo-playing millionaire Peter FitzGerald, 70, in a chicken shed at his parents’ house in Crumlin, Co Antrim, in 1982, employs more than 1,500 people, from its headquarters in Co Antrim to offices in India, Brazil and America among others, and has many links to the powerful and glamorous.
The Tory MP Owen Paterson, 64, who served as Northern Ireland secretary for two years under the coalition government, is a consultant for Randox. He receives £8,333 a month for his services — or £100,000 a year, easily eclipsing his MP’s salary. He has previously lobbied the government on behalf of the firm.
Three years ago Randox raised its profile by signing a multimillion-pound deal to sponsor the most famous horse race in the UK sporting calendar, the Grand National. Until her death earlier this year, Paterson’s wife, Rose, chaired Aintree racecourse. She also served on the board of the Jockey Club alongside Baroness Harding, who is also married to a Tory MP, the former Northern Ireland minister John Penrose, and owns horses that race in the Grand National.
Having previously chaired NHS Improvement, which oversees NHS trusts, Harding was appointed head of the government’s test-and-trace programme in May.
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When the Department of Health and Social Care awarded Randox the contract to provide virus testing, it raised questions. Why was it awarded the contract? Was it a suitable firm for the job?
Testing boss Baroness Harding at the Grand National — sponsored by Randox
STEVEN CARGILL
Randox had been embroiled in a scandal when it emerged that its staff had manipulated forensic tests used to convict motorists on drug-driving offences.
Dozens of people had their convictions quashed in 2018 and the National Police Chiefs’ Council criticised a “most serious breach” of standards.
Less than two years later, Randox was judged an appropriate company to carry out a key contract for the nation’s “world-beating” test programme.
Randox insists that Owen Paterson had no role in its winning the contract. But since it started work in March, the questions have not gone away.
In July, Randox was forced to recall half a million test kits — many destined for care homes — after checks revealed they were not sterile. The government responded by saying Randox was being “phased out”.
However, the company continues to play a vital role in the testing programme ahead of a second wave. Its laboratories are supposed to cover about a quarter of testing demand for people outside of hospitals, according to leaked figures.
We revealed last week that the firm was disposing of up to 12,400 used test kits a day, and had a higher “void rate” — that is, the number of swabs thrown away because of human error — than almost any other laboratory.
Yet despite these problems, Randox has recently taken on new commercial testing contracts.
As well as a contract with the United Arab Emirates to test passengers, it is providing test kits for players and coaching staff in Premiership Rugby, which resumed its season last month on the condition that those involved would receive regular testing. There are suggestions the company is also negotiating a contract for commercial testing with the chemist chain Boots, which Randox does not deny.
The laboratory operates a traffic-light system, with colours assigned in order of priority. Green samples — those that are less than a day old — are the lowest priority. Red samples — which can be three days old — are the highest priority, as with every passing hour the samples become less reliable.
Randox says its traffic-light system is standard practice for processing a large volume of tests. However, staff allege that tests from rugby players are flown in by helicopter on Monday evenings and that these “priority samples” are fast-tracked, with the results available usually by 9am the next day. It is also claimed that those travelling to Dubai receive similar VIP treatment.
A question that has gripped officials within government is: why is Randox apparently unable to get its act together?
The answer, say sources, is that it has simply taken on too much work, so cannot process tests quickly enough for them to remain “stable” — the period in which the DNA sample derived from saliva delivers accurate results.
Because of the sheer scale of swabs received and claims of staff shortages, sources say tests are increasingly put in freezers or subject to days-long delays before analysis.
One insider claims the situation had led to a literal backlog of tests trailing outside of the laboratory. “These usually occupy the delivery area and the hangar, which is basically an outdoor space but with a roof,” they said.
Staff are already working overtime to try to clear the backlog, with many doing 12-hour shifts in spurts of four days on, four days off. The shift patterns are irregular — one employee said her shift times had been changed at short notice — and antisocial, with nights the norm. Working in full PPE, one insider described the labs as a “sweatbox”.
Many staff are temporary workers in a role that is attractive to students: it pays weekly, and they get overtime and antisocial-hours pay. However, because of their age, many of the students are paid just £8.20 an hour.
Just as the labs have been hit with increased demand as pupils return to school and infections rise again, the labs are set to lose a chunk of their student workforce who will return to university.
This is compounded by the problem of staff going on holiday. A source alleged: “Managers are getting stressed out over staying on top of these deliveries and backlogs, which is understandable, but ... they [the management] seem to be requesting more and more samples to be sent to Randox, even though we were at capacity from taking samples that were meant to be going to an NHS lab that closed.”
The shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, said: “Parents sick with worry and desperate for a test for a poorly child will be disgusted at news they are pushed to the back of the queue because of a private company’s commercial priorities. Testing has become a shambles.
Randox acknowledged last night that it was operating “at and beyond capacity” and receiving samples “in excess of daily capacity” from the government.
It said: “Randox takes great care in meeting all its contractual obligations and fully recognises the critical importance of meeting those obligations with regard to the national testing programme. Randox does not prioritise commercial work ahead of other work streams.
“We do not comment on commercial matters. We do not have a practice of voiding high numbers of test kits on a daily basis. On average the Randox void rate is comparable across the programme.”
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The HoC and HoL need a purge but there's no alternative to the current political parties. I'm sure I'm not alone in being dismayed that none of them represent my views and standards and feeling quite disenfranchised.
Take a look at how many tests the uk are doing compared to the rest of the world
When a lot of people are out of work and living on benefits or are not earning, I can see a flaw in the plan to fine them £ 10000
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I was quite a fan of Johnson’s originally but the longer this goes the more and more he looks totally out of his depth. The problem is so do the rest of his team and the opposition.
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Old news but it shows the state of the possible corruption, that at least 200 parliamentarians had financial interests in companies involved in private healthcare at the time of the 2011 disastrous Health and Social Care bill being debated and voted on in both houses.
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The problem is who would you replace him with and would anyone sane touch the job atm.
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Very true whatever you do will upset someone. But I think you have to convince people whatever you are doing is correct and he isn’t doing that.
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Boris would more at home on Jackanory as his rambling speech making seems to be aimed at the average 8 yea old. As much as the bloke annoyed me over some of his handling of the NHS, I would go for Jeremy Hunt as the most able grownup in the room for this situation.
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Can't find the exact numbers, but little Willy Gates has 'donated' millions to the BBC and the Guardian Media.
When you have already decided that you wont be getting vaccinated and accept that this means you will probably eventually get covid at some point. It makes the whole circus of the last 6 months pretty pointless as far as your own health goes.
My own parents dont seem to keen on a vaccine either and that goes for many people ive met.
For some of us its hard to see what all the fuss is about tbh
My own parents dont seem to keen on a vaccine either and that goes for many people ive met.
For some of us its hard to see what all the fuss is about tbh
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He gave a $20 million grant to the BBC world service in 2011 paid over five years He also gave Guardian media $5.6 million in 2010 easily traceable and what’s your point?
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53 million to BBC Action Media
9 million to the Guardian
Why his opinion matters so much is beyond me, considering he has no medical background.