is the labour leadership facilitating brexit?

It doesn't matter what they call themselves, even if they form a party that only gets say, 5% of the vote, most of that 5% will come from Labour support, which should be enough to ensure that lunatic Corbyn doesn't ever get in. So don't knock it!

Not so sure, but it needs 100 labour MP's to resign, then find 500 good canditates (I'm not sure how many MP's there are)

Just call the new party New Labour, back to a two party system (In England anyway)
 

Yacker

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Bit of left field analysis , the tone of certain ERG members has softened somewhat since the Labour MPs have departed? The ERG strategy pre the departure of those MPs was "hard brexi, s**t show, lost election, JC screws up the economy and the Tories win the GE in 2027"

Now however JCs chance of winning or forming a coalition gov. are rapidly disappearing. So do the ERG think a hard brexit/wto is not something they want to deal with themselves? Looks like TMs deal wil float...
 

Danllan

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Who gives an arse?

Not even me, really :D, but the possibility is there... :sneaky:

Bit of left field analysis , the tone of certain ERG members has softened somewhat since the Labour MPs have departed? The ERG strategy pre the departure of those MPs was "hard brexi, s**t show, lost election, JC screws up the economy and the Tories win the GE in 2027"

Now however JCs chance of winning or forming a coalition gov. are rapidly disappearing. So do the ERG think a hard brexit/wto is not something they want to deal with themselves? Looks like TMs deal wil float...

The ERG have been and are open about not being afraid of 'no deal'. Some of them want us to go straight to WTO terms, which I think would be fair enough too, allowing negotiation for a proper deal while focussing minds all round. My belief is that, in a real world situation, the EU (i.e. the COM - because they would probably tell the EC to shut up) and the UK would, overnight, agree a 'continuing motion' allowing trade to go on as before until a deal was reached. In any case, most of the ERG, and me, would prefer a negotiated exit purely for the sake of stability.

Now that there is a chance* of a 'middle' party - ha! - Mr Corbyn is, possibly, just bright enough to realise that he is headed even further for the electoral graveyard if he rejects his own Labour Brexit supporting voters. My guess is that, rather than see the total disintegration of his parliamentary party, he will allow them a free vote on what TM gets. And that will almost certainly be something that creates a 'sunset' for the awful backstop.

TM's deal, if fairly dire, but the EU / EC really need it, especially in the short term. They may be able to ignore the cries for common sense from European (German) industry, but I doubt it. And this being so, there will be a face saver for them and TM by 'not reopening the deal' but by adding something to it, and that will be either a definite end date to the backstop, or a way for the UK to leave it unilaterally.

The some interesting :whistle: things will happen... cue Dr Varadkar's premiership ending and, very probably, Fine Gael leaving government in the ROI and our own Mrs May trying to manipulate a majority in her parliamentary party to call for her to stay on as PM... :eek: And it might just happen... :banghead:


*But I think there is a vanishingly small likelihood of this thing taking off, hypocrites all of them - someone will be trawling through all of their past comments apropos MPs who resign the whip standing in by-elections, and they will be truly shafted if they've advocated it.
 

Yacker

Member
I think TMs existing deal (with some attached "weasel words") will pass due to the following

1. An increased Tory vote (including an ERG element) they all now realise that they will probably be in gov post 2022
2. The gang of 8 will vote "against" Corbyn
3. Labour rebels/free vote
4. Business is "shipping out"
5. The DUP explode in religious ideology but no one cares...

At the heart of it the Tories dont want to deal with the fallout of a hard brexit, it frightens the life out of them.
 

baabaa

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Location
co Antrim
so three pinkos leave the tories
yet more evidence of the tory party gone purple?:D
will they allow their constituents to pass judgement on the move?
nahh didnt think so:ROFLMAO:
 

Agrivator

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The extremists in all of this are not the ERG or the DUP. The extremists are the other 95% of MPs who are intent on overturning the result of the 2016 Referendum and the clear wishes of all Question-time audiences that we should leave regardless of whether or not a deal is agreed.
 
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turbo

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Arable Farmer
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The sooner greive,clarke and boils goes the better,if they do go at least it will stop the local party having to deselect them.with labour imploding this is going to be the best chance of a proper conservative government with proper policies that we have had for a long long time
 

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