Is there a standard minimum load before cap charges apply?

[Two Tone]

It was an owner/driver who told me he didn’t get paid for excess and it wouldn’t be recorded on our weighticket either.
Nothing to do with price,amount delivered, contract quantity +or-. He just wouldn’t get paid for extra .From memory he was the second load of four going to silos south of the border run by a big company already mentioned here.

edit. they were claiming h+s considerations!!!

I've heard the same from a haulage Co near Manchester. If they turn up overloaded over 44 tonnes gross, they only get paid the haulage for a gross of 44 tonnes, being about 29 tonnes net.

However, I have heard of another haulier from Suffolk who was helping shift bulk fertiliser around Ipswich Docks, therefore not going on the public highway, who was moving approx. 38 tonnes each load!

 

[Wiltshire Bob]

Or are all merchants different? I always thought it was 25t? Where do I find out?

Have a look at the T's &C's of the company you are selling too, they are available on request, should be sent to you every time there is a change or on their website.

To my mind, it is either the merchant not organising big enough trailers, or the hauliers fault.
Probably the merchant, because they knew the contract was for 56 tonnes in total, not 58.
They knew the bushel weight and I have dried them since it was tested, which should have improved it.

Or it was your fault for not asking for 2x 28mt trailers? also how could they know the new bushel weight after you had dried it? the majority of trailers are now 29mt as its the maximum the haulier's can carry, its more efficient to move as much as legally possible, surely? unless of course when it doesn't benefit you, heaven forbid they send in two 28mt trailers when you sell wheat at £220/mt, "pesky merchants under collecting on an expensive contract"

I’m fairly sure every contract states you can deliver a certain percentage under the contract tonnage. Action that and they should charge you the last capped load

Worth reading the T's &C's of who you are selling to as most work on the AIC 1 contract which is available online, you can under or over deliver but then these terms can be superseded by the T's & C's of the company you are selling to.


Its staggering that we all spend lots of time in the fields growing a crop and yet when it comes to selling it there are many blanks in peoples knowledge or understanding of selling of their own produce, the information is there, all you have to do is ask or do 5 mins of research, maybe then it would remove some of the hostility to the rest of the trade, as we would have a better understanding of what happens after we sell our grain. Of course the rest of the world is bent and all farmers are golden and do everything by the book

 

[Flat 10]

Have a look at the T's &C's of the company you are selling too, they are available on request, should be sent to you every time there is a change or on their website.



Or it was your fault for not asking for 2x 28mt trailers? also how could they know the new bushel weight after you had dried it? the majority of trailers are now 29mt as its the maximum the haulier's can carry, its more efficient to move as much as legally possible, surely? unless of course when it doesn't benefit you, heaven forbid they send in two 28mt trailers when you sell wheat at £220/mt, "pesky merchants under collecting on an expensive contract"



Worth reading the T's &C's of who you are selling to as most work on the AIC 1 contract which is available online, you can under or over deliver but then these terms can be superseded by the T's & C's of the company you are selling to.


Its staggering that we all spend lots of time in the fields growing a crop and yet when it comes to selling it there are many blanks in peoples knowledge or understanding of selling of their own produce, the information is there, all you have to do is ask or do 5 mins of research, maybe then it would remove some of the hostility to the rest of the trade, as we would have a better understanding of what happens after we sell our grain. Of course the rest of the world is bent and all farmers are golden and do everything by the book

If you read the thread @Wiltshire Bob you will see I did. And the answer was the hauliers set the cap. Hardly transparent as I don’t know the haulier when I sell the grain. However I am more than happy the company behaved fairly and well within the rules and as an aside my rep went above and beyond when I mentioned it to him “to see me right” when he had no need to. I agree I must read all terms and conditions more carefully in future but in this case I would have been no wiser really.

 

[Two Tone]

Have a look at the T's &C's of the company you are selling too, they are available on request, should be sent to you every time there is a change or on their website.



Or it was your fault for not asking for 2x 28mt trailers? also how could they know the new bushel weight after you had dried it? the majority of trailers are now 29mt as its the maximum the haulier's can carry, its more efficient to move as much as legally possible, surely? unless of course when it doesn't benefit you, heaven forbid they send in two 28mt trailers when you sell wheat at £220/mt, "pesky merchants under collecting on an expensive contract"



Worth reading the T's &C's of who you are selling to as most work on the AIC 1 contract which is available online, you can under or over deliver but then these terms can be superseded by the T's & C's of the company you are selling to.


Its staggering that we all spend lots of time in the fields growing a crop and yet when it comes to selling it there are many blanks in peoples knowledge or understanding of selling of their own produce, the information is there, all you have to do is ask or do 5 mins of research, maybe then it would remove some of the hostility to the rest of the trade, as we would have a better understanding of what happens after we sell our grain. Of course the rest of the world is bent and all farmers are golden and do everything by the book

Sometimes it doesn’t pay to try to be too clever!
I wanted to place 60 tonnes of Spring Oats into a October to December Pool.
However, ABT‘s are usually 29 tonnes each, so asked to place 58 tonnes in it.
But, the merchant knowing the bushel weight was a bit low, suggested that the Contract ought to be 56 tones to fit it in to 2 ABT’s. I agreed.
Knowing I needed the space to fit some fertiliser deliveries, I asked for them to be cleared in time for this.
But by the 21st Dec, they still hadn’t gone and my contact at the Merchant had already left a message on her answerphone that she was unavailable for contact until 4th January.I left a message that my fert as due for delivery on 4th Jan and I needed the Oats gone as was agreed by the Contract dates.
That message got passed on to somebody else from the Merchant up in the Scottish Borders, who kindly realised the urgency and arranged for collection on Saturday 2nd January.
Unfortunately she probably didn’t realise that these Oats are a low bushel weight and needed to make sure that the ABT’s were of the bigger size.
I’m just happy that they have gone in time- Just!
They were tipped in Carlisle on Monday and I haven’t heard of any claims.
Bearing in mind that the merchant had already suggested a Contract size smaller than 2 ABT’s, there shouldn’t be a capped load charge.

Sometimes it doesn’t pay to be too clever. Especially with thread posts!

 

[chaffcutter]

When we were running the trucks I used to claim a cap load for anything under 27t, it wasn’t worth the effort for less than a couple of tonnes
On the other hand we had a part time driver, a retired traffic cop, who totally ignored the weight restrictions and always run full or overloaded until Cargil stopped paying for any overweight at Cerestar!

 

[fieldfarmer]

So should we be refusing to load and lorry that can't show a calibration ticket for there weigher? Earlier in the year i put the normal 12 buckets of osr into the lorry, went to see the screen because the buzzer has normally gone off to be told, "that don't work, put 2 more in" ticket came back around the 34 ton, all paid for though.

 

[An Gof]

So should we be refusing to load and lorry that can't show a calibration ticket for there weigher? Earlier in the year i put the normal 12 buckets of osr into the lorry, went to see the screen because the buzzer has normally gone off to be told, "that don't work, put 2 more in" ticket came back around the 34 ton, all paid for though.

You would think a properly calibrated and checked weigher on the lorry would be a requirement of the TASSC haulage scheme What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander

 

[bobk]

One of the benefits of commercial storage is you sell every grain and don't have 5 tons leftover