Is there any future in suckler cows ?

apologies in advance for the long post but I read an interesting case study analysis on hill farm profitability - specifically the bit about variable costs (copied and pasted below) - and that in increasing variable costs to increase output can be a false economy

Full report..

Hill Farm Profitability Report

4.2.1 Investigating variable costs

In seeking to understand the relationship between the volume of output from the farm and its variable costs, the critical discovery is that variable costs have to be separated into two categories and the inflection point between the two identified in order to make sense of what is going on. These two categories have been differentiated as follows: - Productive variable costs: essential /unavoidable costs linked to livestock production (e.g. seeds, home grown concentrates, bedding, contract labour, essential vet & med costs); and - Corrective variable costs: Avoidable / non-essential costs linked to livestock production associated with production above the natural carrying capacity of the grass (e.g. bought in livestock feed, fertilisers, sprays). What the Nethergill approach showed was that the variable costs were non-linear in nature (i.e. that there was an inflexion point in two separate linear costs lines).

However, discussions with farmers in the case studies indicated that farmers were making business decisions based on the assumption that their total variable costs were linear. This meant that increasing production to achieve economies of size was leading to a reduction in profitability rather than an increase. This can be explained as follows: - Many farmers were assuming that their variable costs were linear. By doing do, the assumption was that output (and therefore income per unit of output) would increase in proportion to increases in variable costs – so the more one puts into the system, the more one gets out. If one operates on this logic, once revenue exceeds variable and fixed costs, then breakeven point is reached and the business starts to make a profit. If either variable or fixed costs can be reduced, then the breakeven point can be reached at lower volume of output and therefore profits can be increased.

- In farming however, the reality is that variable costs are not linear. Instead there is a point at which the costs per unit of output start to increase at a faster rate – i.e. it starts to cost more to produce an additional unit of output. This is in keeping with the economic explanation of how costs behave. The Nethergill approach, using a geometric approach (see Annex 1), has calculated that this is the point at which it is no longer possible to generate the volume of output on the basis of ‘free issue inputs’ (naturally available grass, rain etc) and productive variable costs (e.g., home grown feed concentrates, seeds, bedding, machinery costs etc) – see point of inflection on the variable costs line in Figure 5 below. At this point, to generate more volume, one needs to add additional inputs/costs (corrective variable costs (e.g. fertilisers, vet & med, feed concentrates, winter fodder, auction fees, off-wintering costs, haulage etc). However, the additional costs increase at a faster rate than the volume of output it is possible to generate. Therefore, any additional output produced using corrective variable costs becomes more expensive per unit of output than that produced using only productive variable costs. - The result of this is that if one continues to assume variable costs are linear (i.e. apply a volume driven logic to the farm business) past the point where corrective variable costs kick in) then before long the costs exceed the revenue and the farm business moves from making a profit, to making a loss (see Figure 5). This means that beyond a certain point, the business cannot continue to make a profit by volume increases alone.

Put another way, if there isn’t enough natural grass, no amount of corrective economic action can make farming any more profitable. 28 To note that in this approach actual costs are used rather than marginal costs. 13 Figure 5: Principles of non-linear variable costs – an illustrative situation facing a hill farm

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Farmer Fin

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Arable Farmer
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Aberdeenshire
How will rotational grazing reduce feed brought to cow and sh!t carted away again?

We've still over 250 spring calving cows outside on stubble fields.

Carting feed to them, but no sheds, bedding, muck to cart away.

They are making a mess of stubble, have sacrificed 50 acres of grass keeping cows on them. There a mess.
That’s a different question / issue really. This is the other killer to suckler produces which is the cost of keeping through winter. Obviously up here the winter is long and grass growth season short. Overwintering on stubble is the way to reduce your winter costs.
Rotational grazing is about maximising utilisation of grass and production. There is still a mindset where grass fields are effectively a grass shed for cattle to sleep and sh!t on.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
How will rotational grazing reduce feed brought to cow and sh!t carted away again?

We've still over 250 spring calving cows outside on stubble fields.

Carting feed to them, but no sheds, bedding, muck to cart away.

They are making a mess of stubble, have sacrificed 50 acres of grass keeping cows on them. There a mess.
Quite easily - because you can easily and cheaply grow better feed with wire and time.
You can better manage the impact they'll generate if you carefully control how long they are in a place.

Are you growing them feed on the stubbles too, looks like you would have had a sh!t year for turnips up there!
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
That’s a different question / issue really. This is the other killer to suckler produces which is the cost of keeping through winter. Obviously up here the winter is long and grass growth season short. Overwintering on stubble is the way to reduce your winter costs.
Rotational grazing is about maximising utilisation of grass and production. There is still a mindset where grass fields are effectively a grass shed for cattle to sleep and sh!t on.
Spot on.
Must say I happily switched from the rotational "gotta feed the cows" regime a couple of years ago to the "grass mattress" paradigm myself; you get better returns from grass trampled flat on the ground than put through a cow.

Hard as it is to believe!
 

Chae1

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Location
Aberdeenshire
40 cows plus calves on a 25 acre block is a fair go - or am I reading it wrong?
Its relatively new grass. Under 5 years old.

It doesn't do them full season, couple grass fields next to it and they normally spend some time in them.

I think the best way to assess benefits would be with feeding cattle. Have a batch on paddocks and a batch on normal system and monitor weight gain through season.

In my opinion we don't do it properly. Graze it far too hard before shifting them. Give it extra fert.

I follow Pete's threads and see sense in what he says. Had a bit of a eureka moment at groundswell when i saw @martian shifting his cow's and its something I'd like to try and replicate here.

There's 3 of us at home and I'm not really involved with cattle much. I don't really want to go ramming my ideas down other people's throats and telling them there doing it all wrong!

From what we've done up till now i can't see big savings from rotational grazing.

We are way overstocked for acres we have, buy in a lot of feed and rent a lot of grass. Don't own any land. High labour costs.

First way I'd look at making savings is cut back numbers and reduce reliance on seasonal grass lets and bought in feed, buying in good silage in at £10.50/bale at moment though so buying in doesn't look like bad option.
 

Chae1

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Location
Aberdeenshire
Quite easily - because you can easily and cheaply grow better feed with wire and time.
You can better manage the impact they'll generate if you carefully control how long they are in a place.

Are you growing them feed on the stubbles too, looks like you would have had a sh!t year for turnips up there!
We tried to. They were a failure this year.

Had good crops last year.
 

Llmmm

Member
Trouble with splitting all your fields into small fields is they all need a water trough, which means a clarty mess around each water trough
Then you need a gateway into each field which means another clarty mess in each field
Half the field turns to clarts
You must have a very wet farm like a swamp
 

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