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If you have a good worker then give them a pay rise before they have to ask
Is this a fair deal? Opinions please
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We all, as an industry, are feeling a bit nervous about the future, with BREXIT, Coronavirus, and the demise of SFP. Not to mention the weather this morning.
However if we fail to remunerate our staff properly they will drift away to other industries.
To the OP I say ask the boss what he thinks you are worth, or ask him how much he would expect to have to pay to replace you. It is sometimes best in a negotiation to let the other side make the first offer.
It is most probable he values you highly; you sound a conscientious sort.
However if we fail to remunerate our staff properly they will drift away to other industries.
To the OP I say ask the boss what he thinks you are worth, or ask him how much he would expect to have to pay to replace you. It is sometimes best in a negotiation to let the other side make the first offer.
It is most probable he values you highly; you sound a conscientious sort.
The Seeker
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Are you happy there , do you enjoy the life and location is the house nice / dry do you like the jobs you do ? These are all things I’d think about not just the ££££. I feel that People do get carried away with that final figure they get paid but hate there job , I have a friend who works in London leaves at 5 am get back at 7 Pm to pay for a house that’s overpriced due to location, he’s running in a wheel that cost slot to run. It’s very tricky for us to know if your on a fair rate.all the best tho
TheTallGuy
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Minimum wage is £8.72 at age 25, assuming an average of a 40 hour week that yields £18,137.60 per year & supermarkets are paying £9+/hour so that gives you a frame of reference.
yorkie
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as an ex worker , it is a very bad deal ,packed in in 2016 , that would be a low wage then
how many hours ? that seems very low salary ?
salary should be at least 30-35 ino plus the car
House is cheap though, but thats a very area dependant thing
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from rhe jobs he says he is doing and is responsible for he should be on way more than the min wage !
Campbell
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To use a modern phrase. Farming requires a much bigger 'Skill Set' than most folks outside [and sometimes inside] the the business realise, and from what you write, your current job is prime example of this. There can't be many other businesses where such a wide range of adaptability to work types is regarded as normal, and all within one job specification. Imagine going into a job center and being asked by a pretty lady "so what do, what are your skills?" I guess her computer would not have a programme to cope with your list, and you would be offered counselling..... . To answer your question, don't under sell yourself. Farm workers wore britches and flat caps, they shovelled turnips into horse drawn carts in driving rain for five bob a week, and lived in leaky old cottages.......
. To answer your question, don't under sell yourself. Farm workers wore britches and flat caps, they shovelled turnips into horse drawn carts in driving rain for five bob a week, and lived in leaky old cottages.......betweenthelines
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From your comments, I would suggest you are more a "working foreman" than a worker, for example, does the apprentice "report" to you, do you decide what you do on a daily basis ?
I think charging rent for a house that you are required to live in to carry out your work is entirely unjustified. In fact, if you moved on to another job, I suspect the employer would have a job to get you out of the house as you have been (and would continue to) pay rent.
As for comments on here about the farm's ability to pay your wages, I think that's irrelevant. Is it your fault your boss is a poor businessman? No, of course not. If they can't/won't pay you what you are worth, look elsewhere.
However, it might be an idea that, at review, you suggest some sort of performance related pay-perhaps number of pigs B&B'd per year, or how about some sort of bonus for the "contracting" you do, that might encourage you to expand that side of the business?
Think about what you want, write it down and take it into the meeting.
I think charging rent for a house that you are required to live in to carry out your work is entirely unjustified. In fact, if you moved on to another job, I suspect the employer would have a job to get you out of the house as you have been (and would continue to) pay rent.
As for comments on here about the farm's ability to pay your wages, I think that's irrelevant. Is it your fault your boss is a poor businessman? No, of course not. If they can't/won't pay you what you are worth, look elsewhere.
However, it might be an idea that, at review, you suggest some sort of performance related pay-perhaps number of pigs B&B'd per year, or how about some sort of bonus for the "contracting" you do, that might encourage you to expand that side of the business?
Think about what you want, write it down and take it into the meeting.
good post / advice - agree 100%
the farmers ability to pay you is their problem, not yours !
As a guide my “working foreman” on all arable is on a package worth over x3 what the OP is getting including his house and car etc
he does big hours at key times of the yesr (about 3-4 months) but a basic 39 hrs the rest of the year, he has a month off at christmas and whatever holiday he wants as long as its not in our busy periods
he does big hours at key times of the yesr (about 3-4 months) but a basic 39 hrs the rest of the year, he has a month off at christmas and whatever holiday he wants as long as its not in our busy periods
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Farmer1001
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What we tend to forget, as youngsters working for others and living in rented accommodation is the need to earn today for tomorrow ie your GF pays half the rent, what if you start a family, or need to buy a home for your “post“ farming days. Brick layers here on £23/hr with a bucket of kit, no qualifications other than life skills, they don’t see themselves as building site workers (nor do we). Your not a farm worker, your a skilled capable and valuable investment for any business. Gd luck
ollie989898
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Ultimately, once you start talking about the level of responsibility that comes with spraying and drilling, you are actually quite skilled and difficult to replace. The industry does need to pay people a sustainable wage or they will soon migrate to other industries.
Don't feel constrained by an employer offering money or time to train you with additional skills. I would view that as a reason for stay for 2-3 years, not a reason to continue working for lower wages.
Often, older employees also value things other than money. I used to work with older guys, they wanted an easier life, less hours at non-critical times of year and also they had a hand in business decisions relating to machinery replacements and cropping plans, too. Many a farm employee has told me they have been treated like drones: 'go plough that field over there, then come back and I will tell you what to do next'. It's moronic and simply bad man management. On the two sizeable arable units I have worked on, I was given a farm map, a business handbook of sorts, a book to record my hours worked (contained something that looked like a timesheet) and usually a list of fields to do something in. I'd then disappear off and not see anyone really for the next few days apart from in the yard first thing. On one place every machine on the place had a printed set of sheets encapsulated in plastic explaining how to connected/disconnect and operate the thing.
Don't feel constrained by an employer offering money or time to train you with additional skills. I would view that as a reason for stay for 2-3 years, not a reason to continue working for lower wages.
Often, older employees also value things other than money. I used to work with older guys, they wanted an easier life, less hours at non-critical times of year and also they had a hand in business decisions relating to machinery replacements and cropping plans, too. Many a farm employee has told me they have been treated like drones: 'go plough that field over there, then come back and I will tell you what to do next'. It's moronic and simply bad man management. On the two sizeable arable units I have worked on, I was given a farm map, a business handbook of sorts, a book to record my hours worked (contained something that looked like a timesheet) and usually a list of fields to do something in. I'd then disappear off and not see anyone really for the next few days apart from in the yard first thing. On one place every machine on the place had a printed set of sheets encapsulated in plastic explaining how to connected/disconnect and operate the thing.
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Lexion1000
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Salary certainly sounds on the low side, I would have thought it wants to be a minimum of 5k more. Depends on the hours you work though. You sound like you would be a tricky person to replace. Skilled, driven and responsible people are more and more difficult to find in agriculture. The value a good employee can bring to a business will far outweigh the cost of a stronger salary.
grainboy
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all very ideal, and i get your sentiment,
But,
With that ideal in place, you are not making allowances for the future,
The Seeker
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Yes but like I said I don’t know the guy or his ambitions or goals. It’s just one way to look at it with the information provided.
grainboy
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Continuing,
There is no money allowance for pension and retirement, and the future,
There is no money allowance for pension and retirement, and the future,
Scholsey
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- Herefordshire
and would be out of a job tomorrow with a big recession or HS2 gets mothballed.
ollie989898
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I don't think they would, still plenty of places looking for people to drive kit.