Is this wishful thinking or is things that bad??????

4course

Member
Location
north yorks
Everyone just needs to calm down a bit, your not doing yourself any favours at all. This scaremongering attitude and boosting prices up now by paying it!! My granddad would laugh at you all getting so het up over things like this.. Has anyone looked at the forecast yet? All my long ranger weather is saying decent weather till October so far, if that is the case we have two months of turn out still in the bank, my ground isn't going to go to rack and ruin over night so the cows can stay out and enjoy the extra bite right up till December if they have to. Mine are normally in by October and out by May so if I can get an extra month happy days.

I think any man that chooses to sell his needed fodder/straw to an AD plant in a situation like we are currently experiencing is no man to do business with! Lets hope these good natured arable boys can help out with winter root and straw this year, everyone needs to band together and stop being profiteering barstewards for just one year.
if by a profiteering barsteward you mean the likes of me who has sold his straw and fodder grain stock etc at the market price to willing buyers for the last 30 odd years . I find it a little odd that you expect me and others to sell produce below the market price. would you? bearing in mind that my output in quantity is also going to be down .
 

JMTHORNLEY

Member
Location
Glossop
if by a profiteering barsteward you mean the likes of me who has sold his straw and fodder grain stock etc at the market price to willing buyers for the last 30 odd years . I find it a little odd that you expect me and others to sell produce below the market price. would you? bearing in mind that my output in quantity is also going to be down .

Huge difference between profiteering and market value though isn't there..... Selling silage bales at £40 is profiteering, bales at £25-28 is market value.

So no, no expectations of you selling it at less than market price :whistle:
 

Nearly

Member
Location
North of York
Huge difference between profiteering and market value though isn't there..... Selling silage bales at £40 is profiteering, bales at £25-28 is market value.

So no, no expectations of you selling it at less than market price :whistle:
That was market price last summer. Winter just gone and winter to come prices will start with a 3. The market has moved.
I'm neither a buyer or a seller but won't be carrying any empty cows over the winter.
 

4course

Member
Location
north yorks
Huge difference between profiteering and market value though isn't there..... Selling silage bales at £40 is profiteering, bales at £25-28 is market value.

So no, no expectations of you selling it at less than market price :whistle:
well, ive just baled some 2nd cut haylage that has produced just under 4 round 4ft/acre less than 1/2 normal and they are pre sold at £38 each with the cost of production and output / acre do you think im profiteering ,cos I dont, but I will honour my spoken word
 

DeeGee

Member
Location
North East Wales
Huge difference between profiteering and market value though isn't there..... Selling silage bales at £40 is profiteering, bales at £25-28 is market value.

So no, no expectations of you selling it at less than market price :whistle:

You need to wake up to reality I’m afraid.
There is a desperate shortage of fodder of all types, and straw is naturally included in this dearth, especially so considering last winter’s lack of stocks.

Supplies for all my yard liveries and regular customers will hopefully be guaranteed from my own produce at reasonable prices, but to say that £40 a bale for haylage is profiteering and £25 a bale is market value is just absolute nonsense.
 

JMTHORNLEY

Member
Location
Glossop
well, ive just baled some 2nd cut haylage that has produced just under 4 round 4ft/acre less than 1/2 normal and they are pre sold at £38 each with the cost of production and output / acre do you think im profiteering ,cos I dont, but I will honour my spoken word

Well yes by my previous posts, but if you can get it then crack on. Don't get me wrong I'm all out for making money and perhaps I need to readdress my outlook, I'm by no means slating anyone just going on what I know from round here.

You need to wake up to reality I’m afraid.
There is a desperate shortage of fodder of all types, and straw is naturally included in this dearth, especially so considering last winter’s lack of stocks.

Supplies for all my yard liveries and regular customers will hopefully be guaranteed from my own produce at reasonable prices, but to say that £40 a bale for haylage is profiteering and £25 a bale is market value is just absolute nonsense.

Oh I'm fully awake to the reality, I never said there wasn't a shortage. What I said was prices are going through the roof and it's livestock lads that seem to have the shitty end of the stick so to speak, I suppose there is a touch of jelousy as I'm not being paid anymore for my beef, still making money but not as much as previous years.

When I know I have enough fodder I sell bales at £25-28 and make money, I'm happy at that so just going off my experience.
 

DRC

Member
Whilst I feel sorry for anyone short of fodder, I don’t get this idea that those that have it to sell, should keep their price down.
Imagine a year when straw or silage is plentiful, I haven’t seen any livestock lads saying I’ll give you £28 a bale if they can beg it for £15. Same with straw in the swath . I’ve seen it make £20 acre at sales. No one puts their hand up and says, that’s too cheap,I’ll give you a bit more.
Same with store lambs or cattle. Playing devils advocate ,
Another point to think about, is it right to wholecrop cereals, thus losing more acres of straw, and is it right to feed grains to cattle and sheep .
A lot of problems are caused by farms specialising . In my youth, every dairy farm grew a few fields of their own corn, now it’s mainly very big dairy farms that import their feed and bedding.
Nothings as simple as it seems.
 

balerman

Member
Location
N Devon
Whilst I feel sorry for anyone short of fodder, I don’t get this idea that those that have it to sell, should keep their price down.
Imagine a year when straw or silage is plentiful, I haven’t seen any livestock lads saying I’ll give you £28 a bale if they can beg it for £15. Same with straw in the swath . I’ve seen it make £20 acre at sales. No one puts their hand up and says, that’s too cheap,I’ll give you a bit more.
Same with store lambs or cattle. Playing devils advocate ,
Another point to think about, is it right to wholecrop cereals, thus losing more acres of straw, and is it right to feed grains to cattle and sheep .
A lot of problems are caused by farms specialising . In my youth, every dairy farm grew a few fields of their own corn, now it’s mainly very big dairy farms that import their feed and bedding.
Nothings as simple as it seems.
I agree,a lot of the forage problems are caused by farmers specialising,and the fact we have had wet summers for the last 10 years,making us think it is the norm and we can keep more and more stock.Then we get a year like this and youre up sh!te creek,much to be said for mixed farming I think.
 

bluebell

Member
anyone got the national herd stats for 1976 and this year i bet theres over a millon less cattle wheres all the grass gone to feed them?
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Well yes by my previous posts, but if you can get it then crack on. Don't get me wrong I'm all out for making money and perhaps I need to readdress my outlook, I'm by no means slating anyone just going on what I know from round here.



Oh I'm fully awake to the reality, I never said there wasn't a shortage. What I said was prices are going through the roof and it's livestock lads that seem to have the shitty end of the stick so to speak, I suppose there is a touch of jelousy as I'm not being paid anymore for my beef, still making money but not as much as previous years.

When I know I have enough fodder I sell bales at £25-28 and make money, I'm happy at that so just going off my experience.
If I had to pay 28 quid for a bale of silage I would have to cut down our numbers
perhaps some will work out that there is bugger all in feeding it at that money let alone 40 quid or whatever
time you feed them on silage at that money and bed them on straw at not much less you just as well say f**k it
all IMHO of Corse
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
If one turned up near me and offered me £1000/acre for anything i could grow,i would snap their hand off there and then.Cattle and sheep down the road to the nearest mart straight away.

Don't worry, I do understand the economic pull of that type of demand. I'm not getting at individual farmers.
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
We’ve just sold 40 bales of dry silage,well got stuff from old pasture to our next door neighbour.

He said he was down about 50 bales.

Luckily we were offered grazing to cut so baled,carted and stacked them for him and charged £10 per bale.

Theoretically we probably made a loss on them however if you can’t help a good neighbour once in a while then the jobs not worth doing.
 

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
houses, roads, golf courses.........

Don't forget horses. Loads of farms have been turned over to equine uses, plus lots of land used to make hay and haylage for them. I read somewhere that there's more horses in the country now than when they were used for motive power. There's over 900k horses in the UK to feed these days, I bet there wasn't that many in '76.
 

DeeGee

Member
Location
North East Wales
We’ve just sold 40 bales of dry silage,well got stuff from old pasture to our next door neighbour.

He said he was down about 50 bales.

Luckily we were offered grazing to cut so baled,carted and stacked them for him and charged £10 per bale.

Theoretically we probably made a loss on them however if you can’t help a good neighbour once in a while then the jobs not worth doing.

That is generous to say the least, fair play to you. Of course we all like to help good neighbours in times of need, I would try to do the same, but not sure I could do it just quite so reasonably!

However, there are far too many people including some farmers who are so clever and efficient that they know the price of everything, but the value of nothing. You are obviously someone who values friendship above money, and your kindness to your neighbour is commendable.
 

Grassman

Member
Location
Derbyshire
Well I hadn't started this to scare monger I only asked a question. The thing is my income source is the selling of whatever bales I produce but I need to sell them at a reflective value whilst I do have existing customers you cannot suggest bales are sold at an almost fixed price. Everything rises and drops in value beef is good, milk is good, then beef is bad, milk is bad etc.

Why should I take the hit if everyone else is making hay while the sun shines if you know what I mean. As for my existing customers I wouldn't be hanging out for top dollar because at some stage the silage/bales will be plentiful and cheap. Swings and roundabouts!

We all have to make something, machines to keep going, insurance etc never heard of an insurance company drop their quote because milk was down or beef etc. However with some there is no middle ground either so time will tell this year.

Whilst I feel sorry for anyone short of fodder, I don’t get this idea that those that have it to sell, should keep their price down.
Imagine a year when straw or silage is plentiful, I haven’t seen any livestock lads saying I’ll give you £28 a bale if they can beg it for £15. Same with straw in the swath . I’ve seen it make £20 acre at sales. No one puts their hand up and says, that’s too cheap,I’ll give you a bit more.
Same with store lambs or cattle. Playing devils advocate ,
Another point to think about, is it right to wholecrop cereals, thus losing more acres of straw, and is it right to feed grains to cattle and sheep .
A lot of problems are caused by farms specialising . In my youth, every dairy farm grew a few fields of their own corn, now it’s mainly very big dairy farms that import their feed and bedding.
Nothings as simple as it seems.

Have you not heard the news?
At the livestock market today various vendors stopped the auction because their stock was making far too much money. They all said they were happy to break even and not make profits out of other farmers.

Yes I know. Absolute rubbish:):)
 

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