Isuzu DPF issues again

We have a navara d40 with 42000 and to my knowledge it has only regened twice maybe three times, the light comes on you have to take it for a spin on the motorway to give to it time to do it. Just had to do it because of tootling round the farm for last 5 or 6 weeks.
 

ricky_rascal

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N. Yorks
"They can blame creatures from Mars if they want so long as they actually do something about it."

But they wont cover damaged caused by creatures from Mars or inferior fuel under warranty, that's my point.

We've had a discussion about fuel and decided both BATA and Shell are trustworthy suppliers. But yes I get your point about warranty. Dealer said dpf is covered under warranty though Isuzu may say otherwise. I don't think the dpf is blocked. Chap who cleaned it, who I trust, says it cleaned out well and shouldn't be causing the issue. It could be injectors or software or a sensor - but I have no idea.

Interesting about the masonary drill. It may not solve my issue as I'm certain my dpf isn't blocked.

I have a newish JD 5100m done 480hrs and I bought it in March at 200hrs. It has only regenerated once in that time. Dmax did 40 miles yesterday and about 1.5hrs and regened 3 times though the last regen hasn't finished.
 

ricky_rascal

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N. Yorks
We have a navara d40 with 42000 and to my knowledge it has only regened twice maybe three times, the light comes on you have to take it for a spin on the motorway to give to it time to do it. Just had to do it because of tootling round the farm for last 5 or 6 weeks.

Ha, I'd be living on the motorway with my dmax :(
 

ricky_rascal

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Location
N. Yorks
Did you not mention oil level rising?
Equals new engine if it over revs on the sump fumes, that would be the warranty to be more concerned about.

Yes mentioned oil level rising. They took it in yesterday and don't think they've done much other than suck some oil out the sump to keep level down. They've got permission from Isuzu to replace the injectors which it's booked booked in for next week. Evidently they've had a few with same symptoms as mine and changing injectors has solved the issue. Why this should be so and why some seem to over fuel they have no idea.

They lent me a new 1.9 d-max with manual box. Much prefer auto. No towing but found it lacking torque until it revved over 2000rpm. Hasn't the low down torque of the old engine. 1st gear ratio very low for towing I expect. A pain for normal road use pulling out of junctions. They've also lowered (or raised?) the ratio of 6th gear which seemed to high on the old model for anything but motoway.
 

ricky_rascal

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N. Yorks
Not the hpcr pump seal??. Weird. Pretty average injectors then. Wonder which brand.

Not mentioned anything about pump seal. As for injectors then told it's only a few that have the issue. Whatever, something smells fishy and it's not just the fish man!

Service department downloaded the regen history of my vehicle since I last took it in. It's been regenerating every 30 miles or so, often less of late. They say it's only regenerated a little more than average :rolleyes: Last couple of regens have been 13 and 8 miles apart. Hopefully injectors will sort it but I'd not bet my beer money on it (y) If not it'll soon spend more time in regen cycle that not.
 

ricky_rascal

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N. Yorks
8 miles is just nuts.. should be 3-400 miles !! The dpf will be full of ash in no time.

Used to do a couple of hundred miles. Dealer says every 70miles is average :confused: I don't think it so myself.

Rust on tailgate, poor fuel consumption from software update and filter housing change and borderline dangerous throttle lag when pulling away (auto box) and now this crap.
 

ricky_rascal

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Location
N. Yorks
D-Max went in today to change injectors and hopefully resolve the dpf regen issue and diesel getting in the sump. All hasn't gone to plan as they couldn't get one of the injectors out. I'm told they've take the cylinder head off now to get said injector out. Won't be back until next week but lent me the salesman's new Utah. Manual gearbox and no tow bar. Keyless entry and button start though still reach for key to stop and start. Will have to wait a bit longer to see if it's fixed.
 

MauritsK

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D-Max went in today to change injectors and hopefully resolve the dpf regen issue and diesel getting in the sump. All hasn't gone to plan as they couldn't get one of the injectors out. I'm told they've take the cylinder head off now to get said injector out. Won't be back until next week but lent me the salesman's new Utah. Manual gearbox and no tow bar. Keyless entry and button start though still reach for key to stop and start. Will have to wait a bit longer to see if it's fixed.
I know its an old thread, but did the replacement of the injectors solved the issue?
 

ricky_rascal

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Location
N. Yorks
They said so (at York Vans) but I part ex'd it for another 2.5 D-Max so never got to drive it again. They'd sold it before I picked the new one up. Rightly or wrongly I bought the same again as I wasn't too keen on the 1.9 D-Max. Whilst they had the engine out of my d-max they lent me both a manual 1.9 and an auto 1.9. Against the old 2.5 found it quite noisy when worked, but the worse was compared to the old model was quite flat under 2000rpm, seeming to lack torque low down the rev range. The auto hid this quite well by keeping the revs up but very noticeable on the manual. In honesty if they'd not found me one of the last old models I'd have probably bought a Ford Ranger. Maybe should have but time will tell. Happy with it to be fair and no issues with DPF. Although you can tell when it is regenerating the DPF it runs nothing like as rough as the first version. I put this down to the original being one of the first off the production line and as time went on they managed to tweak the things. Really can't back it up with figures I'm afraid but the late model 2.5 feels like it pulls a lot better than the original.

I was down at York Vans the other week picking up a new door mirror after smashing it clean off on a post in a neighbours yard :mad: Whilst waiting for them to fit it Chris gave me the keys to a 1.9 d-max that had been 'chipped'. Certainly improved engine pickup/pull low down the rev range against what I remembered of the ones I originally demo'd. This is being supplied as an optional extra upping the torque and the bhp to 190bhp (I'm told). Should have lifted the bonnet to see what used but at a guess it may be a Steinbauer. Once insurance gives the go ahead my d-max is going back in for a new wing and a small delve in the door to be fixed. If it's still about I'll have a peek under the bonnet.
 

reboot

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Location
Kent
They said so (at York Vans) but I part ex'd it for another 2.5 D-Max so never got to drive it again. They'd sold it before I picked the new one up. Rightly or wrongly I bought the same again as I wasn't too keen on the 1.9 D-Max. Whilst they had the engine out of my d-max they lent me both a manual 1.9 and an auto 1.9. Against the old 2.5 found it quite noisy when worked, but the worse was compared to the old model was quite flat under 2000rpm, seeming to lack torque low down the rev range. The auto hid this quite well by keeping the revs up but very noticeable on the manual. In honesty if they'd not found me one of the last old models I'd have probably bought a Ford Ranger. Maybe should have but time will tell. Happy with it to be fair and no issues with DPF. Although you can tell when it is regenerating the DPF it runs nothing like as rough as the first version. I put this down to the original being one of the first off the production line and as time went on they managed to tweak the things. Really can't back it up with figures I'm afraid but the late model 2.5 feels like it pulls a lot better than the original.

I was down at York Vans the other week picking up a new door mirror after smashing it clean off on a post in a neighbours yard :mad: Whilst waiting for them to fit it Chris gave me the keys to a 1.9 d-max that had been 'chipped'. Certainly improved engine pickup/pull low down the rev range against what I remembered of the ones I originally demo'd. This is being supplied as an optional extra upping the torque and the bhp to 190bhp (I'm told). Should have lifted the bonnet to see what used but at a guess it may be a Steinbauer. Once insurance gives the go ahead my d-max is going back in for a new wing and a small delve in the door to be fixed. If it's still about I'll have a peek under the bonnet.
How are you getting on now Ricky?
Mines regenerating at 50-60 miles although I do a lot of short journeys.
I don’t use supermarket fuel and the last tankful was shell v-power which didn’t make any difference.
Main dealer run diagnostic on it Monday and found nothing at fault but they did put some new software on which might help but apparently may take a while to make a difference.
I avoid turning it off during regen and the oil level doesn’t seem to be increasing
 

ricky_rascal

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Location
N. Yorks
How are you getting on now Ricky?
Mines regenerating at 50-60 miles although I do a lot of short journeys.
I don’t use supermarket fuel and the last tankful was shell v-power which didn’t make any difference.
Main dealer run diagnostic on it Monday and found nothing at fault but they did put some new software on which might help but apparently may take a while to make a difference.
I avoid turning it off during regen and the oil level doesn’t seem to be increasing

Funny you should ask. Has been doing a regen every 90 miles or so but with lockdown and not travelling far, it’s been doing a lot of short journeys in the 7 to 20 mile range. Last week suddenly started to regen a lot more frequently at around 10 to 20 miles or less. I took notice of the DPF display on dash and it was going from 2 bars straight to 5 and a regen? Poured a can JLM Filter clean in tank yesterday as was doing a 70 mile run - giving it a hammering as the opertunity arose. Not convinced the the Filter Clean will do much good but did go further between regens. I do as yourself, allow it to finish a regen but isn’t always possible.

As to takeing it to dealers then if you’ve time to waste then up to you. They’ll plug in and say it shows nothing wrong. They’ll then do a forced regen which doesn’t do much. They’ll update software and say it’ll take time to do anything - yer, as long as it takes f’in hell to freeze over! Had it all with previous d-max and had local tame mechanic take DPF off and give it a swill out. They did and found it relatively clean and certainly no where near blocking. Didn’t do any good. Eventually dealer said injectors were overfueling and changed them. Took over a month to do by which time i sold it and bought current d-max so never really knew if injectors were the problem. Top and bottom the Isuzu DPF solution is a pillock of a system. Probably ok if you’re spanking it up and down the country but short runs not so much. Plenty on Facebook keen to delete the damned thing altogether.

Dealer rang me to come try the new d-max couple of months back. Whist I was there waiting outside because of covid restrictions another farmer (as it turned out) came up chatting. He had a fairly new 1.9 facelift model and said he was sick of coming to dealers to have ‘some’ oil dropped out as having issues with diesel getting into sump. Anyway off he went and salesman comes out. I said to dealer that with the advent of the 1.9 the diesel in the sump was history? Turns out they were doing a lot of runs of 2 miles between farms and wasn’t getting chance to warm up hence problems with regenerating and diesel finding it’s way into the sump.

As to mine then if starts being a pillock it’ll find itself down at webuyanyvan.com and I’ll get who knows what? End of day I still need to do a lot of shorter runs. I still need a pickup. Is any other make of diesel going to fair any better with DPF and short runs? Electric or an hybrid could be an answer but not going to spend silly money on a pickup. Matter of fact low mileage s/h more likely an option. Ford or VW??

Out of interest why isn’t there the option of a petrol engined pickup? I guess I’ll regret asking ;)
 

Timbo

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Gods County
Funny you should ask. Has been doing a regen every 90 miles or so but with lockdown and not travelling far, it’s been doing a lot of short journeys in the 7 to 20 mile range. Last week suddenly started to regen a lot more frequently at around 10 to 20 miles or less. I took notice of the DPF display on dash and it was going from 2 bars straight to 5 and a regen? Poured a can JLM Filter clean in tank yesterday as was doing a 70 mile run - giving it a hammering as the opertunity arose. Not convinced the the Filter Clean will do much good but did go further between regens. I do as yourself, allow it to finish a regen but isn’t always possible.

As to takeing it to dealers then if you’ve time to waste then up to you. They’ll plug in and say it shows nothing wrong. They’ll then do a forced regen which doesn’t do much. They’ll update software and say it’ll take time to do anything - yer, as long as it takes f’in hell to freeze over! Had it all with previous d-max and had local tame mechanic take DPF off and give it a swill out. They did and found it relatively clean and certainly no where near blocking. Didn’t do any good. Eventually dealer said injectors were overfueling and changed them. Took over a month to do by which time i sold it and bought current d-max so never really knew if injectors were the problem. Top and bottom the Isuzu DPF solution is a pillock of a system. Probably ok if you’re spanking it up and down the country but short runs not so much. Plenty on Facebook keen to delete the damned thing altogether.

Dealer rang me to come try the new d-max couple of months back. Whist I was there waiting outside because of covid restrictions another farmer (as it turned out) came up chatting. He had a fairly new 1.9 facelift model and said he was sick of coming to dealers to have ‘some’ oil dropped out as having issues with diesel getting into sump. Anyway off he went and salesman comes out. I said to dealer that with the advent of the 1.9 the diesel in the sump was history? Turns out they were doing a lot of runs of 2 miles between farms and wasn’t getting chance to warm up hence problems with regenerating and diesel finding it’s way into the sump.

As to mine then if starts being a pillock it’ll find itself down at webuyanyvan.com and I’ll get who knows what? End of day I still need to do a lot of shorter runs. I still need a pickup. Is any other make of diesel going to fair any better with DPF and short runs? Electric or an hybrid could be an answer but not going to spend silly money on a pickup. Matter of fact low mileage s/h more likely an option. Ford or VW??

Out of interest why isn’t there the option of a petrol engined pickup? I guess I’ll regret asking ;)

The crux of the issue ( although short journeys dont help ) is the remote mounted dpf becaise of packaging issues, that.struggles for sufficient heat, and a post injection strategy to trigger regens that just floods the sump with unburnt fuel, when they should have done a Toyota and used a 5th injector which just works - when it hasnt blocked from soot!

JLR found this out especially on the disco sport to their cost yet denied any issue...

Its never going to reliably work, unless as you say, the truck is driven fairly hard on medium to long distances
 

ricky_rascal

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N. Yorks
It’s a bad design. I believe Ford use a ‘5th injector’ too which is far better than injecting diesel in on exhaust stroke. The filter itself is probably too far down the exhaust pipe being on underside where there is plenty of air to cool it. Not so good when trying to heat it up to 600c to burn the soot. They never a great idea from an owners point of view, a filter in the exhaust that catches the soot is only going to end one way eventually. Certainly doesn’t aide the escape of exhaust gasses.

Dealers and manufactures never goung to admit anything if they can avoid it. Always seems to be the fault of the owner doing short runs or driving very conservatively. Not that any of this is mentioned when you buy them!
 

Drillman

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Mixed Farmer
It’s a bad design. I believe Ford use a ‘5th injector’ too which is far better than injecting diesel in on exhaust stroke. The filter itself is probably too far down the exhaust pipe being on underside where there is plenty of air to cool it. Not so good when trying to heat it up to 600c to burn the soot. They never a great idea from an owners point of view, a filter in the exhaust that catches the soot is only going to end one way eventually. Certainly doesn’t aide the escape of exhaust gasses.

Dealers and manufactures never goung to admit anything if they can avoid it. Always seems to be the fault of the owner doing short runs or driving very conservatively. Not that any of this is mentioned when you buy them!
My Ranger 3.2 auto has been faultless since it arrived 2-1/2 years ago, including a thrash to Shropshire last weekend for myself and drillman junior to visit a certain seller of puppies. Speedo was reading 3 figures at one point on the M6 toll with plenty to spare.
 

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