Italexit

[manhill]

I can't see that attracting mass migration .

No, walking at a 45 degree angle in westerlies isn't everyone's cup of tea.

 

[Muck Spreader]

New mosque just built in the Outer Hebrides.
No churches in Saudi yet or are there?

Most Muslim countries "tolerate" Christianity and have churches, even Iran. However, it's probably no surprise that Saudi Arabia the biggest sponsor of Muslim fundamentalism (Sunni) does not. Hence their desire to overthrow the secular government of Assad in Syria and replace it with a fundamentalist Sunni government as was the case before 1973. And the west supports them in this. Oil anyone!

 

[TelesnaAg]

It doesnt matter a rats a*rse what others think about what a government is going to do to the finacial system...they were elected..its there turn to run how they see fit, democracy doesnt aloow you to pre empt and over ride a vote.

The left disrespect the citizens whishes if its not there wishes, becuase like Ashtree they some how believe they are just that bit better than everyone else.

Regardless of the vote you have to respect it...its the peoples choice

You dont respect the vote then your a communist...plain amd simple.

Remember when they said A Trump victory would send the world into chaos, markets would tumble, the sky will fall in.

If the usa crumbles it will be due to decades of mismanagement.

This is how the table gets set before a WW.

There will be no reason to write a history book on this era...just hand them the 1933 to 1939 one...same difference.

Ant...

 

[Ashtree]

It doesnt matter a rats a*rse what others think about what a government is going to do to the finacial system...they were elected..its there turn to run how they see fit, democracy doesnt aloow you to pre empt and over ride a vote.

The left disrespect the citizens whishes if its not there wishes, becuase like Ashtree they some how believe they are just that bit better than everyone else.

Regardless of the vote you have to respect it...its the peoples choice

You dont respect the vote then your a communist...plain amd simple.

Remember when they said A Trump victory would send the world into chaos, markets would tumble, the sky will fall in.

If the usa crumbles it will be due to decades of mismanagement.

This is how the table gets set before a WW.

There will be no reason to write a history book on this era...just hand them the 1933 to 1939 one...same difference.

Ant...

Except the Italian constitution provides for checks and balances within the electoral system. The president holds many of the check and balance powers and responsibilities.
He approved all the proposed ministerial appointments bar one. That for the finance ministry where a 30 something year law school professor and complete political novice, was proposed because the coalition partners couldn’t agree on a more qualified and appropriate candidate.
If I was an Italian I would be very grateful to the president for not giving a licence to an inexperienced academic the keys to the country’s economic future.

Thank God for the authors of so many countries constitutions, who made provision for critical checks and balances.

 

[turbo]

Except the Italian constitution provides for checks and balances within the electoral system. The president holds many of the check and balance powers and responsibilities.
He approved all the proposed ministerial appointments bar one. That for the finance ministry where a 30 something year law school professor and complete political novice, was proposed because the coalition partners couldn’t agree on a more qualified and appropriate candidate.
If I was an Italian I would be very grateful to the president for not giving a licence to an inexperienced academic the keys to the country’s economic future.

Thank God for the authors of so many countries constitutions, who made provision for critical checks and balances.

Just a shame they couldn’t supply the checks and balances when they were getting into the mess of the euro

 

[RobFZS]

Except the Italian constitution provides for checks and balances within the electoral system. The president holds many of the check and balance powers and responsibilities.
He approved all the proposed ministerial appointments bar one. That for the finance ministry where a 30 something year law school professor and complete political novice, was proposed because the coalition partners couldn’t agree on a more qualified and appropriate candidate.
If I was an Italian I would be very grateful to the president for not giving a licence to an inexperienced academic the keys to the country’s economic future.

Thank God for the authors of so many countries constitutions, who made provision for critical checks and balances.

Gah your kind doesn't half contradict yourself

I heard all this shite before the Trump election, how the electoral college was there to 'provide checks and balances', the second Trump manages to get the states he did and lost the popular vote, the Liberals were up in arms about the system, The Italian constitution is obviously rubbish and out of date because of the amount of political uncertainty Italy has had for the last 20 years and longer.

 

[RobFZS]

Just a shame they couldn’t supply the checks and balances when they were getting into the mess of the euro

No they Fudged the entry criteria so Italy could join, just like Greece and now the past has started to catch up with them, Ashtree can chat sh!t as much as he likes, but the Markets are deciding the election and those kids with no jobs wont be putting up with it for much longer.

The sh!t will hit the fan when there's another election and M5*/ Lega stand on a leaving the Euro platform and win.

Italy is the complete opposite from here, here we have arsehole remainers waiting for older people to die so they can have a remain majority, well it's the flip opposite in Italy where a majority of under 40's are anti Eu and that wave is only going to get stronger, if we use the 'remainer' logic.

 

[Muck Spreader]

No they Fudged the entry criteria so Italy could join, just like Greece and now the past has started to catch up with them, Ashtree can chat sh!t as much as he likes, but the Markets are deciding the election and those kids with no jobs wont be putting up with it for much longer.

The sh!t will hit the fan when there's another election and M5*/ Lega stand on a leaving the Euro platform and win.

Italy is the complete opposite from here, here we have arsehole remainers waiting for older people to die so they can have a remain majority, well it's the flip opposite in Italy where a majority of under 40's are anti Eu and that wave is only going to get stronger, if we use the 'remainer' logic.

I don't think the Italians, just like the Greeks before them have any strong desire to leave the EU or the euro for that matter. They are just having petulant child moment particularly aimed at mother Germany. In reality, Italy like Greece and Portugal had economies that were far too weak to comfortably survive with the northern European euro countries, and as a consequence have suffered ever since. So the EU and the countries concerned must bare equal responsibility for the situation.

 

[TelesnaAg]

Except the Italian constitution provides for checks and balances within the electoral system. The president holds many of the check and balance powers and responsibilities.
He approved all the proposed ministerial appointments bar one. That for the finance ministry where a 30 something year law school professor and complete political novice, was proposed because the coalition partners couldn’t agree on a more qualified and appropriate candidate.
If I was an Italian I would be very grateful to the president for not giving a licence to an inexperienced academic the keys to the country’s economic future.

Thank God for the authors of so many countries constitutions, who made provision for critical checks and balances.[/QUOTE


Oh so true so true...phewww...what was i thinking...

The old generation have done a stellar job with the italion economy and finances...how dare we give it to someone young...they wont know how to f*ck it as nuch us we did...

What a pi** poor argument if ive ever seen one...

The state of there affairs there in no position to act like the wise old steady hand...

Let them elect some old wrinkly POS like in the uk and see if they get the job done lol...

Ant...

 

[TelesnaAg]

Ant...

 

[RobFZS]

I don't think the Italians, just like the Greeks before them have any strong desire to leave the EU or the euro for that matter. They are just having petulant child moment particularly aimed at mother Germany. In reality, Italy like Greece and Portugal had economies that were far too weak to comfortably survive with the northern European euro countries, and as a consequence have suffered ever since. So the EU and the countries concerned must bare equal responsibility for the situation.

They would do better to just be in EFTA and forget the single currency.

The comment from the 5*M guy about Italy being a colony the Germans come to use for a holiday struck a chord with me

 

[arcobob]

But why is she wearing a frogman's suit to play tennis.

To distinguish herself from George Sorros of course

I don't think the Italians, just like the Greeks before them have any strong desire to leave the EU or the euro for that matter. They are just having petulant child moment particularly aimed at mother Germany. In reality, Italy like Greece and Portugal had economies that were far too weak to comfortably survive with the northern European euro countries, and as a consequence have suffered ever since. So the EU and the countries concerned must bare equal responsibility for the situation.

The Italians have been mismanaged for hundreds of years. The Mafia has pulled the strings, having been the feudal tax collectors since the distant past. The Greeks have enormous wealth within the hands of a few and the black economy, as in many Mediterranean countries including France, ensures that the state remains poor and carrying huge debt.
The criteria required to join the Eurozone in the first instance could only be met by Germany, the UK, the Netherlands and maybe one other. The rules were bent to get the other big players on board and now it is payback time and also a good time to kick the rabble into touch.

 

[Ashtree]

Gah your kind doesn't half contradict yourself

I heard all this shite before the Trump election, how the electoral college was there to 'provide checks and balances', the second Trump manages to get the states he did and lost the popular vote, the Liberals were up in arms about the system, The Italian constitution is obviously rubbish and out of date because of the amount of political uncertainty Italy has had for the last 20 years and longer.

Much longer th

They would do better to just be in EFTA and forget the single currency.

The comment from the 5*M guy about Italy being a colony the Germans come to use for a holiday struck a chord with me

Five star whoever he is, can blame all and sundry and in particular the Germans. It’s a catchy soundbite for a day, a week or a few months of an election campaign.
But five star policies when put into action, will have only one single outcome. Rapid funding deficit in Italy, decimation of domestic savings, and no doubt will shake the euro to its foundations.
When push came to shove the Greeks backed away from the suicide button. When elections were held last year in various Northern Europe countries where economic head banger politicians looked good to win power, the electorate emphatically slammed the door on them. Austria, Netherlands, France, etc.
The Italians will now get a grip of themselves.

That five star outfit you mention in Italy! Do you mean the one founded by a comedian, with a tax default record, and a lavish lifestyle, and various other question marks over his character? The fella who is barred by statute from standing for election himself??

 

[Ashtree]

To distinguish herself from George Sorros of course

The Italians have been mismanaged for hundreds of years. The Mafia has pulled the strings, having been the feudal tax collectors since the distant past. The Greeks have enormous wealth within the hands of a few and the black economy, as in many Mediterranean countries including France, ensures that the state remains poor and carrying huge debt.
The criteria required to join the Eurozone in the first instance could only be met by Germany, the UK, the Netherlands and maybe one other. The rules were bent to get the other big players on board and now it is payback time and also a good time to kick the rabble into touch.

Why the blazes didn’t you lot invade them and put a bit of discipline in them. Could have left us alone, and we could have muddled through somehow

 

[arcobob]

Why the blazes didn’t you lot invade them and put a bit of discipline in them. Could have left us alone, and we could have muddled through somehow

We did and you are still muddling

 

[RobFZS]

Much longer th


Five star whoever he is, can blame all and sundry and in particular the Germans. It’s a catchy soundbite for a day, a week or a few months of an election campaign.
But five star policies when put into action, will have only one single outcome. Rapid funding deficit in Italy, decimation of domestic savings, and no doubt will shake the euro to its foundations.
When push came to shove the Greeks backed away from the suicide button. When elections were held last year in various Northern Europe countries where economic head banger politicians looked good to win power, the electorate emphatically slammed the door on them. Austria, Netherlands, France, etc.
The Italians will now get a grip of themselves.

That five star outfit you mention in Italy! Do you mean the one founded by a comedian, with a tax default record, and a lavish lifestyle, and various other question marks over his character? The fella who is barred by statute from standing for election himself??

Have they put something in your water, do i have to remind you a fascist came second in France, a Fascist came second in Holland, a fascist is running Hungary, Fascists have about 40 seats in the German parliament of all things, Austria had a near miss, how many near misses do you want before the whole lot is being ran by people that will make your current wailing's sound like something of a rodent, are you actually in denial that you think this existential crisis can be dealt with by the same old 'easy' politics?

You know i've got you on the run, you never replied to the first comment because you know your contradictions for your arguments are starting to inflict cognitive dissonance.

Oh some cheap points on Beppe while your main man Adams wont tell people where he's had their family buried.

You've had it your way for the last 20 years and what good has it done people, you yourself talk about 'the Italians' with contempt just as you do the British, give your head a shake man.

The EU is fragmenting because the EU is attempting to keep politics ins stasis, to preserve that post war order, imposing the politics of 1945 onto the people of 2018 who have their own challenges, ambitions and fears.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I've been watching Italy for a while now.

Still the question of jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. People can talk but will they walk the walk ?

 

[bluegreen]

Daniel 2:42 /43
42And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay

The Bible prophecied this EU nonsense thousands of years ago, people from diverse cultures will not mix, the globalist NWO dream was always a non starter...……………...mind you their desired eventual outcome of massive de population is looking more likely by the day!

 

[arcobob]

Daniel 2:42 /43
42And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay

The Bible prophecied this EU nonsense thousands of years ago, people from diverse cultures will not mix, the globalist NWO dream was always a non starter...……………...mind you their desired eventual outcome of massive de population is looking more likely by the day!

A look back through history throws up a number of examples of forced alliances ending in failure. We should respect and enjoy our differences and manage them respectfully because they have developed over centuries for good reason. To ignore the warnings is total folly.

 

[Hilly]

Italy got a sharp reality check last week from the money markets. Takes access to international money markets to run a country. Same markets automatically build in severe funding premium when silly buggers start running the finance department.

Oh, did I mention pretty much all of the domestic savings and investments of Italian citizens are held by Italian banks. Those same banks seeing difficulty and higher funding premiums on international markets, gets kinda bad for domestic savings.

This populist malarkey is all fine and dandy, until you get down to the nitty gritty stuff, then the allure quickly fades.

Your lusting after a lost cause you silly get, tick tock tick tock