Italy's in shut down

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
Exactly every year 1500-2000 people die of Motor Neuton Disease in the UK which after 70+ yrs has no treatments or cure and a life expectancy of 3yrs yet everyone is running round like headless chickens over this.

MND isn't contagious, though.
It wouldn't surprise if research funding into covid-19 has already exceeded funding to research MND.

With luck, covid-19 will fizzle out, or a vaccine for it will simply become part of the armoury against grotty, 'flu-like illnesses.
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Yes it’s not incredibly dangerous but I don’t think people appreciate the logistical challenge of dealing with hundreds of thousands of critical cases. There simply isn’t the bed capacity here but nobody sees that one coming.
Maybe 65 million people here will shrug it off but what about the million who need intensive care and the half million or so who succumb to it. It if it happened over years it might be manageable but it happens over months our healthcare systems as they stand just aren’t prepared or designed to cope.

Hope somebody is doing some serious planning. They really need to.
 

Wombat

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Location
East yorks
MND isn't contagious, though.
It wouldn't surprise if research funding into covid-19 has already exceeded funding to research MND.

With luck, covid-19 will fizzle out, or a vaccine for it will simply become part of the armoury against grotty, 'flu-like illnesses.

Yup but having seen my mum die from MND, I know which i would rather have a cure for
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
The World Health Organisation stats are saying death is 10% and a further 20% will have serious medical issues but it's any ones guess. China wouldn't be shutting factories down for fun that's for sure.
I was discussing the subject last week with a friend who's a vet - before being a vet he did a PHD I can never remember the title of but relating to virus mutation. He reckons the chances of a corona virus making the 'species jump' is rather improbable and that it is far more likely that it came out of a lab... :banghead:

I have not got the scientific knowledge to comment on this, but I mentioned it to a cousin who is a GP and she said that was 'plausible', but it was also 'possible' that the public story is the true one. :scratchhead:

Any vets or docs out there want to give an opinion?
 

Stewart Setter

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Suffolk, UK
Am I missing something fundamental with this virus ? Flu kills more every year, highly infectious, bla bla..

Nov 2002 Sars - killed 744 people which was 10% of confirmed cases,
Jun 2012 Mers - killed 858 people whic was 37% of confirmed cases ( small confirmed cases than Sars)
Dec 2019 - Coronavirus has Killed so far 25 people of which is 2.9% of cases..

These cases are so small compared to everything else that seems to kill us every year, what's the real driver behind all this ?
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
I am no expert, but diseases make the species jump all the time, many of the flu viruses do this regularly. Ebola is another as with all the Mahrburg type diseases.
The Coronavirus's have past form in this respect with both Sars and Mers having made the jump. International travel is the major factor in their distribution, instead of them flaring up in distant places then dying out as quick as they came
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
One chap that had it said he'd had worse flu but when it killed the 35 yr old fit and healthy chinese doctor it did make people think. If i was old and frail or had longterm health issues i would be concerned.
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Am I missing something fundamental with this virus ? Flu kills more every year, highly infectious, bla bla..

Nov 2002 Sars - killed 744 people which was 10% of confirmed cases,
Jun 2012 Mers - killed 858 people whic was 37% of confirmed cases ( small confirmed cases than Sars)
Dec 2019 - Coronavirus has Killed so far 25 people of which is 2.9% of cases..

These cases are so small compared to everything else that seems to kill us every year, what's the real driver behind all this ?
I think Stewart it is accepted deaths from Covid 19 are not in the order of 2800 from a certain 70,000+ confirmed cases. This ignores the fact there are virtually certainly many more not confirmed
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
When is Global peak,estimated to occur?
They were hoping it may have happened already. That theory has been blown to pieces with the rise in cases outside China.
My understanding is that having made the difficult species jump to humans it is much easier for the virus to mutate into a much more infectious and deadly form and the more people it infects the more chance it has to mutate.
 

Jameshenry

Member
Location
Cornwall
If anybody was serious about stopping the spread of this disease then air passenger travel would have been suspended about 2 months ago.
But no, they are prepared to gamble with the lives of millions rather than upset the aviation and tourism business. Screening at airports for this disease is wholly inadequate and a joke. But what else would you expect.
My thoughts exactly
 

milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Am I missing something fundamental with this virus ? Flu kills more every year, highly infectious, bla bla..

Nov 2002 Sars - killed 744 people which was 10% of confirmed cases,
Jun 2012 Mers - killed 858 people whic was 37% of confirmed cases ( small confirmed cases than Sars)
Dec 2019 - Coronavirus has Killed so far 25 people of which is 2.9% of cases..

These cases are so small compared to everything else that seems to kill us every year, what's the real driver behind all this ?

Not sure I'd put much faith in those figures to be honest. China has done its best to blur the numbers and Iran is no better. It's not about death rates anyhow: Stick an extra 1000 sick people into your local hospital and see what happens.

My biggest worry is that if we have to quarantine people in their homes either here or the US is the crime/looting along with resentment towards the services that may happen.
 

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