Italy's in shut down

[Derrick Hughes]

Some horrendous death rates tonight, Spain and France, the Press keep knocking our Government but at the moment we are doing better than some of the others

 

[lloyd]

Some horrendous death rates tonight, Spain and France, the Press keep knocking our Government but at the moment we are doing better than some of the others

We are several days behind.
With 3000 deaths in the UK already we are getting
hit hard.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

We are several days behind.
With 3000 deaths in the UK already we are getting
hit hard.

France had half that though in one day

 

[Cowmangav]

France had half that though in one day

They have added a backlog of 884 deaths in hospitals over the past weeks.

It still takes their crude death rate to 9% , exactly the same as Spain's.

Italy at 12% death rate.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

And why are news reporters going into care homes , surly thats crazy . They should tell them too F off
Newsnight just now

 

[stewart]

Some horrendous death rates tonight, Spain and France, the Press keep knocking our Government but at the moment we are doing better than some of the others

The first death in the UK was a couple of weeks after Italy, there could be a time lag due to the virus hitting the UK later than it hit Italy, if that is the case in a couple of weeks the UK could be where Italy is now, hopefully not.

 

[james ds]

I would suggest very unreliable. If they had 10 million deaths that would mean almost everyone in China had been infected, which they clearly haven't.

They have 1400, 000, 000.

 

[The Agrarian]

Puzzled.

Reading the known history of the virus on BBC news.

It says that testing on 5th of January found cases, not only in the hotspot, Wuhan, but in Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen. Wuhan was not locked down until 23 January. Why do we never hear of any significant activity outside Wuhan? I simply can't believe it's not rife in those other cities by now.

And Iran. First two known deaths on 14 Feb. Knowing it's probable medical capacity etc, surely it's in meltdown right now?

If not, then this virus is not as severe as we think, and it's a whole lot more widespread than we think. Is it possible that it's already dwelling among us and we have resistance?

I was just reading how an old man from Fermanagh (the back of beyond in Northern Ireland) lost his wife on Thursday of last week. Normal progression apparently suggests she could have first encountered the bug a month earlier. Older person, so let's make that three weeks from infection to death. So that's a month ago now. And if it was in Derrylin a month ago, we're bound to be riddled with it by now?

Am I exaggerating it's ability to spread. I read it's thought to be at least 10 times more infectious than common cold.

 

[james ds]

The first death in the UK was a couple of weeks after Italy, there could be a time lag due to the virus hitting the UK later than it hit Italy, if that is the case in a couple of weeks the UK could be where Italy is now, hopefully not.

I’m predicting London will be worse , New York is on fire with it now and London will follow

 

[Courier]

Just been listening to an NZ report saying that resuscitation creates an aerosol of virus and so only be used in the vicinity of the fewest possible other people in the same airspace - So if you are in the “NHS Nightingale” don’t expect to be resuscitated.

 

[ollie989898]

Just been listening to an NZ report saying that resuscitation creates an aerosol of virus and so only be used in the vicinity of the fewest possible other people in the same airspace - So if you are in the “NHS Nightingale” don’t expect to be resuscitated.

If you are put in an NHS nightingale hospital it is because they believe you have the virus. I doubt they will put any other kind of patient in them- they don't seem to have the range of equipment I'd expect for run of the mill patients. The main risk from resuscitation will be to those people trying to resuscitate you, not other patients.

 

[Yale]

If you are put in an NHS nightingale hospital it is because they believe you have the virus. I doubt they will put any other kind of patient in them- they don't seem to have the range of equipment I'd expect for run of the mill patients. The main risk from resuscitation will be to those people trying to resuscitate you, not other patients.

Yes,you’d expect them to have response teams with filtered air fed PPE to deal with resuscutation.

As said every patient in there will have it so it will be about protecting staff.

Having dealt with a shed full of calves with pneumonia in the past it will be soul destroying on a human level.

It was lovely to see the staff on the balcony waving and cheering to be ready to start the hard slog of care however I fear for them as they will be in a battle situation and will be coming out of there with mental issues and PTSD.

Lets hope they can be strong and have a syringe full of morphine to assist the sickest to pass on.

This part makes me really sad....and why I am desperate to keep it from my family.

 

[czechmate]

There have certainly been suicides of staff in italy

 

[Hindsight]

Yes,you’d expect them to have response teams with filtered air fed PPE to deal with resuscutation.

As said every patient in there will have it so it will be about protecting staff.

Having dealt with a shed full of calves with pneumonia in the past it will be soul destroying on a human level.

It was lovely to see the staff on the balcony waving and cheering to be ready to start the hard slog of care however I fear for them as they will be in a battle situation and will be coming out of there with mental issues and PTSD.

Lets hope they can be strong and have a syringe full of morphine to assist the sickest to pass on.

This part makes me really sad....and why I am desperate to keep it from my family.

If you want to be really sad watch the five minute slot towards the end of last nights edition of Newsnight. The piece looked at care homes. And the instructions received to get Do Not Resuscitate forms signed and that the inhabitants are unlikely to be taken to hospital. Thus left to pass away in the home. As one care lady said they are care homes not hospices. And have not special equipment for protection. Nor have supplies or means or sedative and morphine. Was very sobering.

 

[ollie989898]

If you want to be really sad watch the five minute slot towards the end of last nights edition of Newsnight. The piece looked at care homes. And the instructions received to get Do Not Resuscitate forms signed and that the inhabitants are unlikely to be taken to hospital. Thus left to pass away in the home. As one care lady said they are care homes not hospices. And have not special equipment for protection. Nor have supplies or means or sedative and morphine. Was very sobering.

If that is what it comes down to the entire care system will be turned upside down.

 

[Yale]

If you want to be really sad watch the five minute slot towards the end of last nights edition of Newsnight. The piece looked at care homes. And the instructions received to get Do Not Resuscitate forms signed and that the inhabitants are unlikely to be taken to hospital. Thus left to pass away in the home. As one care lady said they are care homes not hospices. And have not special equipment for protection. Nor have supplies or means or sedative and morphine. Was very sobering.

You can almost understand for a minute why some care homes in Spain or Italy were abandoned by the carers.

All hope had gone and it was self preservation.......horrendous.

 

[Muck Spreader]

They have 1400, 000, 000.

Yes, and?

 

[Hindsight]

You can almost understand for a minute why some care homes in Spain or Italy were abandoned by the carers.

All hope had gone and it was self preservation.......horrendous.

Do please go to iplayer and watch the article as I may have misunderstood. It was towards the end of the programme. I am afraid I wiped a tear.

 

[ollie989898]

I mean, a friend of mine temps in care homes. It is hard work that requires dedication but these people won't be trained to see people die whilst they do nothing.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

If you want to be really sad watch the five minute slot towards the end of last nights edition of Newsnight. The piece looked at care homes. And the instructions received to get Do Not Resuscitate forms signed and that the inhabitants are unlikely to be taken to hospital. Thus left to pass away in the home. As one care lady said they are care homes not hospices. And have not special equipment for protection. Nor have supplies or means or sedative and morphine. Was very sobering.

Was the guy actually in that carehome that was free from the virus