Italy's in shut down

farenheit

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Midlands
I would like to expand on the cattle analogy, I'm making no comparisons with a human situation, it's purely for debate.
let's say you have a herd of 100. The death rate without intervention is maybe 6% so you'd lose 6. 5 would be old or have another illness 1 would be young and healthy.
With intervention the death rate can be reduced to 1%, so you'd lose 1. However this comes at a price. The UK has borrowed 50% of its' GDP to combat the virus already and this will rise considerably, so imagine the cost of saving 5 cattle would be borrowing over 50% of turnover (you have no savings), and shutting the farm down for 6 months. This leads to massive interest payments and loss of earnings. The funds for vets and welfare will be much reduced as the debt is payed back, which will have a severe impact on the health of the herd for many years.
Still an easy choice? As I say, purely for debate we cannot of course equate human lives to cattle
What do you think the uk’s GDP is, out of interest?
 
This thread appears to have become the "general" one for the virus, so.............. and I include everyone who tests positive, since I had a heart operation not too long ago and am not quite back to normal, so, No, GUTH, if I snuff it with the virus I am dead because of it and not because of my heart. My heart is fine. Fit as a bull because they gave me a valve out of the heart of a bull (could be a steer or heifer I suppose) but who is to argue.

Everyone who today, or recently or in the future, died or dies, is not a statistic relevant to numbers infected today or on the day they die(d), they are dead as a percentage of the people who were infected on the day they became infected. In other words the death rate is higher than the numbers in relation to today's total of those infected. I think old age prevented me from realising this before, but the death rate is somewhat higher than I had thought. You would need historical figures and know how long people are infected before they die to calculate the true death rate from the virus. I have, wrongly, been considering figures for deaths on a particular against the number infected in a country on the same day - and that give too low a figure. I have not seen any extrapolation of deaths in relation to the day of infection, perhaps there are none.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
Here many people are not acting responsibly....ok so i better define responsible.

My niece has two young kids and a man in a small apartment.
She is sure she has the virus, and one child also.
The man refuses to stay at home and self isolate, he goes to work. In a factory making catalytic converters for cars that no-one wants to buy currently.
I know the guy well - he is normal likeable bloke into beer, rugby and my niece in no particular order. Probably never sat through the TV news or read a newspaper, much less a book, in years.

You would say he is expressing his right to self determine how to live.
My niece thinks he is being an irresponsible idiot.
I happen to agree with niece.

In an earlier post you basically say...people die, its nature, deal with it. And i agree.
But people have a right to determine how to die.
To choose not to die, if at all possible.

Even anarchists look both ways before crossing a busy road.


Ah; but they will look the opposite way around to that which they were told:blackalien:
 

Cowmangav

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Location
Ayrshire
135 so far , 9000 in Hospital
9,000 in hospital yesterday , 10,700 was the figure given today at the briefing . It's one day further on but whether it is say a 9am today figure or a 5 pm yesterday total I don't know.

The 135 recovered figure has been the same for days and days so I would disregard it.

Linda Lusardi has gone home !
 

Poorbuthappy

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Of course we know what FT say's is correct.

Any fool can see that if you have a prolonged lockdown.

Already been over 10 murders/ suicides in the UK in the last 3/4 days due to the virus and being locked up at home.

And in that time only about 10/15 have actually died from the virus itself.
By your twisted logic,if any of those poor souls murdered or taking their own life have previous history of violence/ mental illness then you cant count them in your figures.


And do you know what "normal" death rates are for murders/ suicides?
I did see the other day something about New York experiencing its first day in 20 odd years with no murders due to CV lockdown.

And how many deaths have been saved on the roads.
How many deaths will be saved due to reduced pollution in our cities?
 

The Agrarian

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
Been in contact with a relative living in Milan. Says things are settled there. The only person he says he knows with the disease is actually back home here in Northern Ireland. Wow.

I read another article yesterday, which claimed that the winter death rate in Italy is above average, but below the 16/17 winter. Mmmmm.
 

Cowmangav

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Location
Ayrshire
The inability to travel and associate with others for a start, isn't that what prison is all about? And if you are going to erode the boundaries between freedom and incarceration then what deterrent is the latter to criminals?

People were acting quite responsibly until draconian laws were introduced giving both politicians and police sweeping powers over the public quite unnecessarily.

I presume you are an establishment lickspittle that does whatever someone in a uniform tells you, but you may have a spine after all.
56 members of a larger choir met for a practice in Washington State on 10th March - legally as the state was not in lockdown. Two choir members are now dead from Covid19 and 28 have tested positive . More had symptoms but were not tested.

Is this the sort of freedom you want?



 

Poorbuthappy

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Been in contact with a relative living in Milan. Says things are settled there. The only person he says he knows with the disease is actually back home here in Northern Ireland. Wow.

I read another article yesterday, which claimed that the winter death rate in Italy is above average, but below the 16/17 winter. Mmmmm.
Try comparing March 2020 with March 17. Or any other month in 16/17.
 

Cowmangav

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Location
Ayrshire
That


You need to get your facts correct before posting stuff like above.

The 12 year old died from menigistis ( not correct spelling )

The 23 year old girl in the UK died from a massive heart attack.

Todays figures are only so high because they have changed how they record deaths in the UK and back dated it a few days as well for good measure.

Basically for example say your having a heart attack at home and have trouble breathing and tell 999 that when you call up then drop dead 10 minutes later the death will be recorded as from the virus because you had trouble breathing and not a heart attack which was actually the cause of death.

Also alongside the above you will not be tested for the virus they will just put down you had it.

So the figures are pie in the sky rubbish.

Only reason they have changed how they record them is because there is growing anger about the lockdown and no help from the government across SM/ comments on online articles etc etc.

They are trying to govern by scare tactics.

No way in hell the UK can carry on with this lockdown for very long and have any sort of health care in the next 10 years.
The 12 year old girl tested positive. Get YOUR facts right .


The hospitals in NY city are wheeling bodies out into refrigerated trucks because they cannot cope with the number of deaths.

It's a simple equation :-

Normal level of health conditions plus addition of Sars-cov2 virus = death rate way beyond normal.

Thus the virus caused the extra deaths.
 

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