Italy's in shut down

[Derrick Hughes]

Has anyone compared the average death rate from anything apart from covid 19 since the beginning of the year?

I would hazard a guess that a percentage of those that have sadly lost their life from Covid 19 . 1, 5, 10,25 % would have passed away anyway.

Week ending 20 march uk deaths were 72 up on the 5 year average
108 of those were CV infected

 

[onthehoof]

Week ending 20 march uk deaths were 72 up on the 5 year average
108 of those were CV infected

What was total deaths that week?

 

[Sid]

What was total deaths that week?

Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics

Provisional counts of the number of deaths registered in England and Wales, by age, sex and region, in the latest weeks for which data are available. Includes the most up-to-date figures available for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19).

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[honeyend]

If that is true then the man is not doing himself or anyone else a favour as he would appear to be misleading the public as to his level of expertise.

I think the confusion is the are two Dr John Campbell's, from what I have heard this one is just repeating stuff that is easily found on the interent. I am not saying the content of the video is wrong but if you can read and have a brain you can work it out for yourself.

The other Dr John Campbell,

| British Society for Immunology

Prof. John Campbell, PhD Associate Director, Research and Development Scottish National Blood Transfusion Service, Edinburgh How many years have you been working in this sector? 26 years post grad. Approximately 20 years in cancer/cellular therapy. Early post graduate work and PhD was on...

www.immunology.org

Get a PHD, and you become a doctor of something.

 

[Old McDonald]

If that is true then the man is not doing himself or anyone else a favour as he would appear to be misleading the public as to his level of expertise.

Dr. John Campbell is a Senior Lecturer in Nursing studies at the University of Cumbria and worked in A & E for 30 years. So probably has way more knowledge than the FY1 & 2 's manning A&E.

His own words on his YouTube channel:

Hello Everyone, My name is John Campbell and I am a retired Nurse Teacher and A and E nurse based in England. I also do some teaching in Asia and Africa when time permits. These videos are to help students to learn the background to all forms of health care. My PhD focured on the development of open learning resources for nurses nationally and internationally.
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Decide for yourself whether he is qualified to claim that you cannot be re-infected. I have not watched the video in which he allegedly claims this is so. I accepted the post stating that he did so. No reason to doubt the poster.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

I don't know this guy and have not watched his stuff but I have read articles written co-authored by Professor Woo Joo Kim and I was reading some of them as part of the research I did during my college course. I can't even begin to count the number of articles his name appears in.

Joo Kim knows his stuff

Pity PHE aren’t his calibre

 

[james ds]

Are you for real?

If so, I suggest you don't go offering veterinary advice.

Why did you not know that bacteria can’t live in peat.

 

[traadilooar]

His own words on his YouTube channel:

Hello Everyone, My name is John Campbell and I am a retired Nurse Teacher and A and E nurse based in England. I also do some teaching in Asia and Africa when time permits. These videos are to help students to learn the background to all forms of health care. My PhD focured on the development of open learning resources for nurses nationally and internationally.
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Decide for yourself whether he is qualified to claim that you cannot be re-infected. I have not watched the video in which he allegedly claims this is so. I accepted the post stating that he did so. No reason to doubt the poster.

He doesn’t tend to use much of his own opinion, he references who, lancet etc papers and gives the links so you can read it yourself, main thing is no sensationalism.

 

[MrNoo]

He doesn’t tend to use much of his own opinion, he references who, lancet etc papers and gives the links so you can read it yourself, main thing is no sensationalism.

Yes, I have followed him for some time and he has been pretty much on the money, seems to say it as it is in an easy to understand manner. I wish my lecturers/teachers were like him!
I think he keeps a lot of his own opinions to himself, I did wonder if the Gov would have 'got to him' and had a few words as he was quite scathing of the lack of action being displayed our gov, a lot of people follow/watch his videos.

 

[Old McDonald]

He doesn’t tend to use much of his own opinion, he references who, lancet etc papers and gives the links so you can read it yourself, main thing is no sensationalism.

I think claiming that people cannot be re-infected is sensationalism. So far as I know nobody else is making that claim. As posted I have not watched the video in full because I trust you when you said he made the claim.

 

[Old McDonald]

Why did you not know that bacteria can’t live in peat.

Do you really believe that? About 40 years ago now I first used peat as the carrier for nitrogen fixing bacteria and made up a slurry with clover seed.

See these, the first one going back a long way further:

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Viability of bacteria in peatlands - Eurasian Soil Science

The viability of bacteria in oligotrofic bogs and fens was determined by the luminescent microscopy method with the help of a two-component fluorescent dye (L7012 LIVE/DEAD). Living bacterial cells were found in the entire peat profiles. Their portion was maximal (up to 60%) in the upper layers...

link.springer.com

How do I prepare a bacterial inoculant for use in plant field trials?

I would like to perform a field experiment testing the effect of beneficial endophytic bacteria on plants. I would like to deliver bacteria to the seeds in the form of powder inoculant, after...

www.researchgate.net

Compositional Stability of the Bacterial Community in a Climate-Sensitive Sub-Arctic Peatland

The climate sensitivity of microbe-mediated soil processes such as carbon and nitrogen cycling offers an interesting case for evaluating the corresponding sensitivity of microbial community composition to environmental change. Better understanding of the degree of linkage between functional and...

www.frontiersin.org

Temperature-Driven Adaptation of the Bacterial Community in Peat Measured by Using Thymidine and Leucine Incorporation | Applied and Environmental Microbiology

The temperature-driven adaptation of the bacterial community in peat was studied, by altering temperature to simulate self-heating and a subsequent return to mesophilic conditions. The technique used consisted of extracting the bacterial community ...

aem.asm.org

Would you like more?

 

[traadilooar]

I think claiming that people cannot be re-infected is sensationalism. So far as I know nobody else is making that claim. As posted I have not watched the video in full because I trust you when you said he made the claim.

If the truth be known as with a lot of medical issues,no one knows with certainty! I remember asking a dr about something and he said truthfully we don’t know it’s like why do some die young from smoking and others live to 100.

 

[robs1]

Providing it hasn't or doesn't mutate then I see no reason why we should catch it a second time, we dont get other viruses a second time, of course flu mutates but we dont suffer badly unless our immune system is poor, as this virus is worse among that section of people it is surely logical that once we have had it we won't get it again at least in the short term.
If we can then we are f**ked good and proper, however I dont think that will be the case

 

[ollie989898]

I think claiming that people cannot be re-infected is sensationalism. So far as I know nobody else is making that claim. As posted I have not watched the video in full because I trust you when you said he made the claim.

The Professor in South Korea stated they had seen cases where people were reinfected. Logically there should be a degree of immunity to it a second time but as I stated elsewhere on the forum immunity takes time to build.

 

[Mr Mackay]

Do you really believe that? About 40 years ago now I first used peat as the carrier for nitrogen fixing bacteria and made up a slurry with clover seed.

See these, the first one going back a long way further:

An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

Viability of bacteria in peatlands - Eurasian Soil Science

The viability of bacteria in oligotrofic bogs and fens was determined by the luminescent microscopy method with the help of a two-component fluorescent dye (L7012 LIVE/DEAD). Living bacterial cells were found in the entire peat profiles. Their portion was maximal (up to 60%) in the upper layers...

link.springer.com

How do I prepare a bacterial inoculant for use in plant field trials?

I would like to perform a field experiment testing the effect of beneficial endophytic bacteria on plants. I would like to deliver bacteria to the seeds in the form of powder inoculant, after...

www.researchgate.net

Compositional Stability of the Bacterial Community in a Climate-Sensitive Sub-Arctic Peatland

The climate sensitivity of microbe-mediated soil processes such as carbon and nitrogen cycling offers an interesting case for evaluating the corresponding sensitivity of microbial community composition to environmental change. Better understanding of the degree of linkage between functional and...

www.frontiersin.org

Temperature-Driven Adaptation of the Bacterial Community in Peat Measured by Using Thymidine and Leucine Incorporation | Applied and Environmental Microbiology

The temperature-driven adaptation of the bacterial community in peat was studied, by altering temperature to simulate self-heating and a subsequent return to mesophilic conditions. The technique used consisted of extracting the bacterial community ...

aem.asm.org

Would you like more?

Peat lol

 

[Mr Mackay]

The Professor in South Korea stated they had seen cases where people were reinfected. Logically there should be a degree of immunity to it a second time but as I stated elsewhere on the forum immunity takes time to build.

Yes he did say that !! a very interesting and worthwhile watch the Prof was , as you pointed out Ollie

 

[ollie989898]

Yes he did say that !! a very interesting and worthwhile watch the Prof was , as you pointed out Ollie

I do try not to be just to a contentious idiot.

 

[abitdaft]

Providing it hasn't or doesn't mutate then I see no reason why we should catch it a second time, we dont get other viruses a second time, of course flu mutates but we dont suffer badly unless our immune system is poor, as this virus is worse among that section of people it is surely logical that once we have had it we won't get it again at least in the short term.
If we can then we are fudgeed good and proper, however I dont think that will be the case

There are a few viruses out there that we can get over and over, Dengue ( 4 types ) being one of them, we dont get ill from each strain over and over, we get ill from each strain induvidually!

Badly worded, we can all get Dengue Fever of which there are 4 strains, however every one of the 4 strains can infect you even though you have already had one strain, simply put...…mutation other than the strain you already had.

 

[hoff135]

Providing it hasn't or doesn't mutate then I see no reason why we should catch it a second time, we dont get other viruses a second time, of course flu mutates but we dont suffer badly unless our immune system is poor, as this virus is worse among that section of people it is surely logical that once we have had it we won't get it again at least in the short term.
If we can then we are fudgeed good and proper, however I dont think that will be the case

I believe we should have more faith in our own immune system to deal with this little bug**r.

More evidence emerging from cruise ships and iceland that up to 50% of people will never show symptoms. Unless it has some long term effects potentially for half the world this virus will be a non event as far as their own health is concerned

 

[Cowmangav]

Possibly because they are thick.

Germany's figures were said to be dropping up thread. However at this time of the day - cases are a thousand up on yesterday at 5,900.

Deaths are worst ever at 134.