It's not a cost of living crisis, it's the solution to the climate crisis

[Jackov Altraids]

I thought it was almost universally accepted that we face a climate crisis.
The only way to address this is to wean ourselves off fossil fuels and spend more money on sustainably produced food rather 'stuff' that wastes resources.
There now seems to be a universal call to stop the best way of achieving this, high food, fuel and energy prices.

I'm confused.

 

[DaveGrohl]

What the politicians/intelligentsia want and what the public wants are two different things.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

What the politicians/intelligentsia want and what the public wants are two different things.

But I haven't heard a single politician or member of the 'intelligentsia' mention this simple fact.
Or anyone from the environmental lobby.

 

[melted welly]

But I haven't heard a single politician or member of the 'intelligentsia' mention this simple fact.
Or anyone from the environmental lobby.

Because if people figure it out, then the environmental lobby suddenly becomes less popular with general public and the cuddly donation winning facade is lost.

 

[Cowabunga]

But I haven't heard a single politician or member of the 'intelligentsia' mention this simple fact.
Or anyone from the environmental lobby.

You won’t hear that from any politician. It’s a sure-fire vote loser. As for the ‘environmentalists’, if they acknowledged the truth they would lose their income streams because the message would not go down well with the middle class or the well off. Not even with most environmentalists who have surely not worked out that taking consumption/spending and emissions levels down to 1950’s levels is not something they would be particularly comfortable with. They are bright enough, just about, to work that out for themselves and to therefore keep their mouths shut when it suits them.

 

[Two Tone]

As peoples wages rise, they spend more and their standard of living goes up.
Just like moving into a bigger house encourages everyone to fill it with even more junk.

However, it comes as a shock when the cost of living goes up and they suddenly can’t afford thier former lifestyle.

I agree with @Jackov Altraids that the course of natural/political/ Ukrainian war events may well have a solving effect on the so called Climate Crisis. But it won’t happen overnight!

Though three houses in this village have gone on the market this week. Two of them are second homes. So maybe the sh!t is hitting the fan sooner than I thought!

 

[Cowabunga]

I agree with @Jackov Altraids that the course of natural/political/ Ukrainian war events may well have a solving effect on the so called Climate Crisis. But it won’t happen overnight!

It will make zero difference. Firstly and most significantly there is no ‘crisis’ to solve. What you have is a mass propaganda campaign causing hysteria crisis caused by two types of people. Firstly the ones that are looking at their own financial and career interests. Secondly the gullible and plain idiots that think that every weather incident, whether heat, cold, wet or dry, wind or calm, is caused by the terrible human species. These last lot are the equivalent of religious zealots of yore, who would blame all ills on man’s sins and wish to cause more pain, suffering and sacrifice on their God’s alter as penance while wishing to slay all non-believers that do not repent and convert.

 

[delilah]

Or anyone from the environmental lobby.

Sorry, what was the question ?

 

[Lowland1]

It’s all Putins fault get with the script.

 

[Castle Farm]

Laughable in the UK when the rest of the world carries on as usual. Forget trying to save 'the environment' were all fuxed anyway, just enjoy what little time we have left.

 

[Neddy flanders]

youve hit the nail on the head here. no-one gives a t**s about climate change. Airports clogged with people flying abroad. not holidaying in UK.

 

[Cowabunga]

Laughable in the UK when the rest of the world carries on as usual. Forget trying to save 'the environment' were all fuxed anyway, just enjoy what little time we have left.

COAB! Imagine if you were stuck in London during the Blitz, of Mariopole in Ukraine over the last few months. Or in Cambodia during Pol Pot’s reign of terror. Or a Russian during Stalin’s purges. Or a Jew in one of Germany’s conquered countries during the early 1940’s.
THEN you would have something to be depressive about. Something really meaty to bitch about. The word ‘survival’ would be the only word you could think about nearly every hour of every day and night.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

What the politicians/intelligentsia want and what the public wants are two different things.

What they want if for everyone else to cut down and change, meanwhile their lifestyle is too important to alter!

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Sorry, what was the question ?

The best way to change society to be more sustainable is surely to have expensive food, fuel and energy.
Despite many environmentalists being acutely aware of this and extinction rebellion actively trying to create this situation, I haven't heard anyone mention it.
[to be fair, I try to avoid news and commentary as much as possible]

The question is- Why is that?. . . .

 

[Steevo]

Plus the high tax burden!

 

[Two Tone]

It will make zero difference. Firstly and most significantly there is no ‘crisis’ to solve. What you have is a mass propaganda campaign causing hysteria crisis caused by two types of people. Firstly the ones that are looking at their own financial and career interests. Secondly the gullible and plain idiots that think that every weather incident, whether heat, cold, wet or dry, wind or calm, is caused by the terrible human species. These last lot are the equivalent of religious zealots of yore, who would blame all ills on man’s sins and wish to cause more pain, suffering and sacrifice on their God’s alter as penance while wishing to slay all non-believers that do not repent and convert.

Wouldn’t it be Poetic Justice if the Bar-stewards moaning about Climate Change can’t afford enough food or fuel any longer to keep protesting?

The best way to change society to be more sustainable is surely to have expensive food, fuel and energy.
Despite many environmentalists being acutely aware of this and extinction rebellion actively trying to create this situation, I haven't heard anyone mention it.
[to be fair, I try to avoid news and commentary as much as possible]

The question is- Why is that?. . . .

Coz the media are either too thick to see the Irony of it all, or they don’t like a good news story.

I’m getting so pee'd off hearing the News, that I’m going back to Absolute Radio from Radio 4 or those twits on Radio 2.

 

[delilah]

The best way to change society to be more sustainable is surely to have expensive food, fuel and energy.

To use the most staple of staples as an example:
The vast majority of the environmental impact of a loaf of bread, is in its transportation. (references available).
That is to say, the closer a loaf of bread is baked to the person who eats it, the lower its environmental impact.
The reason that a loaf of bread travels further than it has at any time in history, is less to do with cost than it is to do with policy.
I am unsure where 'expensive food, fuel and energy' comes in to it.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

To use the most staple of staples as an example:
The vast majority of the environmental impact of a loaf of bread, is in its transportation. (references available).
That is to say, the closer a loaf of bread is baked to the person who eats it, the lower its environmental impact.
The reason that a loaf of bread travels further than it has at any time in history, is less to do with cost than it is to do with policy.
I am unsure where 'expensive food, fuel and energy' comes in to it.

Current policies promote ever more 'rationalisation' and centralisation. This is aided by the fact it is relatively inexpensive to transport everything. There seems to be no will to change this.
Making transport and energy more expensive should drive more localised production and for people and facilities to be located more appropriately.
It is also one of the few factors that can possibly reverse the trend of automisation/ mechanisation of jobs.

 

[delilah]

Making transport and energy more expensive should drive more localised production and for people and facilities to be located more appropriately.

Nope. It is Government policy drives that, not the price of diesel.

edit: I'm not aware of any abattoirs that have shut due to the cost of running their van. Happy to be corrected.

 

[DrWazzock]

Current policies promote ever more 'rationalisation' and centralisation. This is aided by the fact it is relatively inexpensive to transport everything. There seems to be no will to change this.
Making transport and energy more expensive should drive more localised production and for people and facilities to be located more appropriately.
It is also one of the few factors that can possibly reverse the trend of automisation/ mechanisation of jobs.

You are quite right in this and your opening post. I’m surprised that people don’t realise that the consequence of all this “saving the planet” malarkey will be austerity, high prices and less consumption of limited resources. Who’d have thought it eh?