Ivermectin , covid cure

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
If its proven why are so many national health boards and individual clinicians around the world continuing to ignore it? I do not buy the bullpoo that if Ivermectin was an approved treatment that the emergency licensing of vaccines would be revoked due to "guidance" documents which only apply to certain countries anyway. If it really was 62% effective a few clinicians would have cut deaths on their wards drastically, their colleagues in nearby wards and nearby hospitals would have followed suit and ivermectin as a treatment would have rapidly spread throughout hospitals around the world, with or without the approval of their health boards. I believe Ivermectin could well have a positive impact but if it really was a highly effective treatment it would be very clear very quickly.
If you spent some of your valuable time researching the subject, you would have a good idea why. It is all well documented and doctors are only generally allowed to prescribe what their health authorities allow them to.
It is quite clearly effective to a great extent and proven safe but there are politics and massive amounts of money involved that are wanting it not to be.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
the bit at the bottom is interesting in that they are looking into Metformin an anti diabetes medicine something my wife takes as a recovering cancer patient. Apparently it has some positive effects against Covid in women however having seen the side affects I reckon the cure could be worse than the disease. It's all up in the air at the present. And anybody in the know isn't going to be on this forum. Having watched my wife deal with animals for years I wouldn't disagree in the effectiveness of drugs used in combinations and also used to treat things they aren't specifically developed for but she's treating animals. Imagine the uproar if her Doctor father or mother or sisters decided to have a go just on the off chance it might work.
Ivermectin has been administered to humans at least 4 BILLION times and has proven to be far safer than most medicines routinely used, including aspirin and paracetamol.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Ivermectin has been administered to humans at least 4 BILLION times and has proven to be far safer than most medicines routinely used, including aspirin and paracetamol.
It’s administered for a specific purpose not just as a let’s have look and see what happens. I don’t doubt for a minute that it has some beneficial effects against Covid but i’d think tests are neccesary to assess this.
African Horse Sickness is a viral disease for which there is no known cure however my wife has had good results with cocktails of different drugs that work on the symptoms. You cannot do that on people but i am sure you could save a few more by having a go with all kinds of non specific drugs but you might also kill a few. The thing is you can’t say sorry and feed grandad to the dogs like you can a horse.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
It’s administered for a specific purpose not just as a let’s have look and see what happens. I don’t doubt for a minute that it has some beneficial effects against Covid but i’d think tests are neccesary to assess this.
African Horse Sickness is a viral disease for which there is no known cure however my wife has had good results with cocktails of different drugs that work on the symptoms. You cannot do that on people but i am sure you could save a few more by having a go with all kinds of non specific drugs but you might also kill a few. The thing is you can’t say sorry and feed grandad to the dogs like you can a horse.

It is actually a multi-purpose product that is used for many different health issues including but not exclusively as an anthelmintic for humans and most animals apart from some dogs. All drugs are used for a specific purpose in specific individuals.
 

farmerm

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Shropshire
If you spent some of your valuable time researching the subject, you would have a good idea why. It is all well documented and doctors are only generally allowed to prescribe what their health authorities allow them to.
It is quite clearly effective to a great extent and proven safe but there are politics and massive amounts of money involved that are wanting it not to be.
In countries where ivermectin is licensed there is little to stop a doctor administering it and record it as a anti-parasitic treatment rather than a treatment for Covid.... There is plenty of off label use of Ivermectin being administered. The truth will out one way or another. Whist there is some clinical data to indicate Ivermectin works there is other clinical data that doesnt and this those results have often been conveniently ignored when meta data studies into the data have been done. There are indeed politics and money involved but there are also many nations for which their own internal politics and economics do not benefit at all from suppressing Ivermectin as a treatment if it really does work as well as some claims make out.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
In countries where ivermectin is licensed there is little to stop a doctor administering it and record it as a anti-parasitic treatment rather than a treatment for Covid.... There is plenty of off label use of Ivermectin being administered. The truth will out one way or another. Whist there is some clinical data to indicate Ivermectin works there is other clinical data that doesnt and this those results have often been conveniently ignored when meta data studies into the data have been done. There are indeed politics and money involved but there are also many nations for which their own internal politics and economics do not benefit at all from suppressing Ivermectin as a treatment if it really does work as well as some claims make out.
Ivermectin is licensed for human use in the UK.
 

manhill

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What kills most people is actually their own immune system over reacting to covid. Hence why the age old treatment of Dex is effective as it dampens down the immune system. It will be interesting to see the results of the Oxford study.
I understood an older person's immune system is less likely to over react than a younger person's but if this is the case why are the young less affected?
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
I understood an older person's immune system is less likely to over react than a younger person's but if this is the case why are the young less affected?
The Delta variant apparently causes severe reactions in younger people while the older variants could do but less commonly. Why? Don't know and I doubt anyone does.
 

Farmer Fin

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Arable Farmer
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Aberdeenshire
I understood an older person's immune system is less likely to over react than a younger person's but if this is the case why are the young less affected?
Immune system is a complex beast. The other big issue is that ageing brings physiological changes to our organs and these mean that older people are less able to fight the infection. Same reason as you don’t see many 80 year olds running marathons.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
Immune system is a complex beast. The other big issue is that ageing brings physiological changes to our organs and these mean that older people are less able to fight the infection. Same reason as you don’t see many 80 year olds running marathons.
It isn't necessarily so with respiratory or other viruses. Spanish flu from 1917 through to 1920 targeted and killed mainly 25 to 40 year old people and hardly touched the 60's and over. The 'Swine flu' of 2009/2010 was a H1N1 type, somewhat similar and related to the Spanish flu and also hit young people worse than older.
Polio predominantly affects children up to five years of age.

Also viruses mutate and just because earlier variants of the current Covid SARS-2 is more severe in older people, it does not exclude the possibility that future variants will be more severe in younger or very young people.
 

Farmer Fin

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It isn't necessarily so with respiratory or other viruses. Spanish flu from 1917 through to 1920 targeted and killed mainly 25 to 40 year old people and hardly touched the 60's and over. The 'Swine flu' of 2009/2010 was a H1N1 type, somewhat similar and related to the Spanish flu and also hit young people worse than older.
Polio predominantly affects children up to five years of age.

Also viruses mutate and just because earlier variants of the current Covid SARS-2 is more severe in older people, it does not exclude the possibility that future variants will be more severe in younger or very young people.
I was quite clearly talking about covid. With a virus it depends on what cells in the body that they are targeting hence why the difference in mobility with age. Interestingly they were hypothesising that young children were less severely affected by covid due to cross protection from the immune system being primed by all the other corona viruses that affect young children.
 

Farmer Fin

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Aberdeenshire
It isn't necessarily so with respiratory or other viruses. Spanish flu from 1917 through to 1920 targeted and killed mainly 25 to 40 year old people and hardly touched the 60's and over. The 'Swine flu' of 2009/2010 was a H1N1 type, somewhat similar and related to the Spanish flu and also hit young people worse than older.
Polio predominantly affects children up to five years of age.

Also viruses mutate and just because earlier variants of the current Covid SARS-2 is more severe in older people, it does not exclude the possibility that future variants will be more severe in younger or very young people.
Just had a look at the Spanish flu and some people think the reason it killed so many younger people was due to them being previously exposed to a different flu strain as children which then affected their immune response to Spanish flu making.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
I was quite clearly talking about covid. With a virus it depends on what cells in the body that they are targeting hence why the difference in mobility with age. Interestingly they were hypothesising that young children were less severely affected by covid due to cross protection from the immune system being primed by all the other corona viruses that affect young children.
Again I point out that Covid is changing and one notable change with the Delta variant is that it affects young people more severely.
H1N1 flu variants including this century's swine flu and the early 20th C Spanish flu, all severely affected young adults more than other age groups.
 

Farmer Fin

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Arable Farmer
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Aberdeenshire
Again I point out that Covid is changing and one notable change with the Delta variant is that it affects young people more severely.
H1N1 flu variants including this century's swine flu and the early 20th C Spanish flu, all severely affected young adults more than other age groups.
They are different families of viruses
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
Honestly, I wonder what goes through your head at times. The whole world is not one big conspiracy.
I have no idea how your mind works either. What I am saying is quite straightforward fact. I don't see anything controversial about any of it apart from just why the WHO and Merck are against investigating the efficacy of Ivermectin against Covid. Indeed it is almost criminal that Merck, who have marketed and advocated the safety of Ivermectin for decades, and indeed it is proven safe, would now cast doubt on its safety. Use you head! There is only one probable reason and that is that they most certainly do not wish it to work. They do, after all, have massive amounts of money to develop an alternative that will be patented and is projected to sell for $700 per week rather than the $20 that a generic supply of Ivermectin would cost. It is blatant misinformation for them to plant the idea that Ivermectin, which they know from forty year's experience in the field to be one of the safest drugs available, is not safe to use.
 

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