J D Power Beyond Retrofit

[flyonthewall]

Have JD 6430 Premium with three electric spools, looking to retrofit power beyond to save overheating back end. It looks almost too easy - online it looks as though one simply unbolts a cover and bolt housing AL206034 onto spool block. Has anybody done this before?

 

[kill]

Have JD 6430 Premium with three electric spools, looking to retrofit power beyond to save overheating back end. It looks almost too easy - online it looks as though one simply unbolts a cover and bolt housing AL206034 onto spool block. Has anybody done this before?

I have had 6 tractors that have had power beyond added by me and always let dealer put it on as it's less than an hour job and there use to be what I seam to remember described as a butterfly valve that could be very easily lost for a first time fitter as it has a spring behind it and fly's well and is very small.

 

[Phil P]

I have had 6 tractors that have had power beyond added by me and always let dealer put it on as it's less than an hour job and there use to be what I seam to remember described as a butterfly valve that could be very easily lost for a first time fitter as it has a spring behind it and fly's well and is very small.

Your thinking of the LS dime valve used up to 20 series, if I remember right 30 series have internal LS check valves in the spools.

Have JD 6430 Premium with three electric spools, looking to retrofit power beyond to save overheating back end. It looks almost too easy - online it looks as though one simply unbolts a cover and bolt housing AL206034 onto spool block. Has anybody done this before?

If you just have 3 Escvs It a case of fitting the longer threaded rods and sliding the power beyond on the end. You may find the r/h top lift arm needs sliding along to get the longer rods in though.

 

[Peppa pig]

Have JD 6430 Premium with three electric spools, looking to retrofit power beyond to save overheating back end. It looks almost too easy - online it looks as though one simply unbolts a cover and bolt housing AL206034 onto spool block. Has anybody done this before?

Its as simple as it sounds.i got it added to a 155m last year expecting it to be expensive.wasnt even £400 fitted.

 

[flyonthewall]

Cheers - off to the dealer who says it cant be fitted as the 6430p is a non production model now!

 

[Lazy Sod]

What is "power beyond", is it just a continuous flow and return to operate remote spools?

 

[Brisel]

What is "power beyond", is it just a continuous flow and return to operate remote spools?

Yes, but relies on a separate sensing line to determine what the pump needs to supply to meet the demand rather than just a continuous pumping of oil through the pipes whether needed or not.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

What is "power beyond", is it just a continuous flow and return to operate remote spools?

The point is it’s actually not continuous. It allows for the full flow of the pump when needed or “requested”. When there’s no need, there’s no flow and the pump goes to zero swash - or standby.

It’s an extension of the way the spools in a closed-centre load sensing (CCLS) hydraulic system normally operate. For it to do this it needs a special block on the implement with a “sensing” line (known as the LS line for load sensing) back to the tractor. When this line pressurises it “tells” the pump to pump oil. Voila! Oil.

 

[Lazy Sod]

OK, so only applicable to closed centre systems. The only CC machine that I ever had was my JCB Loadall. If you had a pipe burst on the 3rd service, it was a complete pain. The oil would pump out as long as the engine was running, even when the spool lever was in the neutral position. It had to be repaired where it stood.

 

[flyonthewall]

Problem with open centre hydraulics is that if you do a lot of work, in particular roads, the back end oil of a tractor starts to cook up, if I drove over to collect silage from another farm, you could almost fry bacon on the arse end when I arrived, talking 110 c as measured with an IR gun, and this was acceptable to AGCO and the the dealer! Given she had a steep nosed bonnet and a bit of a grade with 14 silage bales after a road run you could literally see a heat haze from the machine - absolutely terrible design IMO. Needless to say it cost the farm a few too many pennies when she did stop terminally, with AGCO and the dealer wiping their hands of me.

Hence me fitting Power Beyond, which according to the dealer is now available and the bits ordered.

 

[hally]

The beauty of power beyond is you can run a machine like a fusion on a relatively small 4 cylinder tractor no bother. We have used mchale products through pb and through a spool and the difference is remarkable and alot kinder on your kit

 

[v8willy]

The beauty of power beyond is you can run a machine like a fusion on a relatively small 4 cylinder tractor no bother. We have used mchale products through pb and through a spool and the difference is remarkable and alot kinder on your kit

McHale claim a saving of 15HP going PB on a Fusion.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

McHale claim a saving of 15HP going PB on a Fusion.

As they used to say on the X Files, "the truth is out there..." well some of it is, somewhere

But they do have a point; needlessly pumping loads of oil around is a big waste of power. Just imagine how much extra diesel is getting burned to heat up the rear end of a tractor to 110c as claimed by @flyonthewall. The power doesn't come from the ether. Beyond a certain HP/size tractor, there really is a point to having closed centre load sensing hydraulics and stuff like power beyond for implements.

 

[Tractortech]

Problem with open centre hydraulics is that if you do a lot of work, in particular roads, the back end oil of a tractor starts to cook up, if I drove over to collect silage from another farm, you could almost fry bacon on the arse end when I arrived, talking 110 c as measured with an IR gun, and this was acceptable to AGCO and the the dealer! Given she had a steep nosed bonnet and a bit of a grade with 14 silage bales after a road run you could literally see a heat haze from the machine - absolutely terrible design IMO. Needless to say it cost the farm a few too many pennies when she did stop terminally, with AGCO and the dealer wiping their hands of me.

Hence me fitting Power Beyond, which according to the dealer is now available and the bits ordered.

Now Then..
What machine do you intend to run on your tractor. Reading this I assume you're driving on the road with a trailer to collect silage??

 

[flyonthewall]

Round baler and trailed wrapper, had the back end oil up to 92 degrees on our 6430, usually runs mid 60s. Old 5455 was worst after a road run of 8 miles albeit that temp was in the summer.

 

[v8willy]

Round baler and trailed wrapper, had the back end oil up to 92 degrees on our 6430, usually runs mid 60s. Old 5455 was worst after a road run of 8 miles albeit that temp was in the summer.

Surely you are dropping the lever out while on the road?

 

[Tractortech]

As said,,, spool in neutral on the road??
Are the baler and wrapper fit up with LS hydraulics??

 

[flyonthewall]

That was on the old tractor, moving silage, so the spool valves weren’t touched, pumping oil needlessly. Only recently realised the tractor it replaced a JD2650 was actually cc. Apparently it’s normal on oc hydraulics and advised by another dealer to buy something with cc which I did (he didn’t get the sale, but nice to see their are some decent dealers left).

Yes advised would benefit, McHale baler and orbital wrapper. Thinking of going for a fusion now.