Jaguar Land Rover all electric vehicles from 2025

[Swarfmonkey]

Electric tractor fed off solar PV used for doing our TMR feeding would be the dogs though.

Tell me how many kW of power you need, and for how long, and I can do the maths on the cost of the motor/battery combo to meet that requirement. I guarantee that you'll be shocked at the price of the batteries, let alone how much they'd weigh.

 

[GeorgeK]

I wonder if JLR are hoping to secure some big government grants to set up UK battery and motor production? It's a big thing, if we don't make lithium batteries in this country we'll be left behind in the green tech race and the government knows it, so free from EU state aid rules there will be some serious incentives to make it happen, and maybe JLR are positioning themselves to access them?

 

[Martin Holden]

Electric tractor fed off solar PV used for doing our TMR feeding would be the dogs though.

You’ll have a robotic feeder before that happens. They already exist and more will come

 

[HolzKopf]

I am trying to have my own Chinese boycott, not easy though when you look into things but we need to stop financing our enemies.

The trouble with your own Chinese boycott is that you'll need another one a few hours later
(with apologies to @Netherfield for building on his original)

HK

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Do they need much coal in arc furnaces as opposed to blast furnaces?

You need carbon in some form to reduce the iron ore to iron. Think of the carbon as part of the cooking process rather than as a heat source.

 

[Tubbylew]

You need carbon in some form to reduce the iron ore to iron. Think of the carbon as part of the cooking process rather than as a heat source.

Iirc arc furnaces are used to refine, rather than produce raw steel from ore, although there are induction furnaces but it was nickel I was involved with briefly.

 

[milkloss]

I would suspect going 100% electric would be about taking huge money from government grants to help fund it...... might keep them going for a bit longer.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I wonder if JLR are hoping to secure some big government grants to set up UK battery and motor production? It's a big thing, if we don't make lithium batteries in this country we'll be left behind in the green tech race and the government knows it, so free from EU state aid rules there will be some serious incentives to make it happen, and maybe JLR are positioning themselves to access them?

I was thinking more along the lines of making HMG bale them out because they will then be essential in meeting emissions targets.

 

[D14]

On news just now ...... JLR to stop making combustion engine vehicles and go all electric from 2025.

Thoughts?

The detail is in the words ....... ‘to stop MAKING......’

They’ll be using combustion engines made by a third party they’ll no doubt be funding in one way or another.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Sweet and Sour Pork and Egg Fried Rice are off the menu then?

They are OK, they're British inventions (just like you don't get tikka massala in real Indian cooking) . Real Chinese food is rather different.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I would love an electric vehicle with quiet high power. Especially one that can tow 3.5 tons for 300 miles or more between charges. My next car is very likely to be electric but unlikely to be a plug-in all-electric Land Rover.

Presumably you've looked at the Rivian R1T then? You could be in luck from next year. Cheaper than a top spec new defender as well...

The LR part of JLR have got some serious catching up to do if they are not too become an irrelevance.

 

[sjt01]

You need carbon in some form to reduce the iron ore to iron. Think of the carbon as part of the cooking process rather than as a heat source.

Hydrogen is the alternative

 

[Red Fred]

Can't they just fit long leads on them? You could have it like the hoover so it rewinds on the way home.

 

[Paddington]

In 10 years JLR have gone from promoting diesels, then petrol and in 4 years you can't have either.

 

[ollie989898]

Time to invest in the mining sector for uranium I suspect.

The quantities needed will be very small. I don't think uranium miners will clean up very well in all honesty.

 

[ollie989898]

Batteries aren't good enough for long journeys or freight and I'm not sure they ever will be at an affordable price. I really do feel we are barking up the wrong tree with all electric vehicles other than for light local delivery/passenger duty.
I can see farms making more use of the mains with a return of the threshing drum driven by a big mains powered motor in the yard. Deep cultivations will probably be ended by lack of power more than anything else. Then reap the crop and cart to yard to thresh. Maybe burn the straw in a boiler to power the machinery. Without diesel, conventional farming is finished.

We can and probably will power heavy machinery, ships and aircraft with some kind of hydrocarbon fuel for many decades to come. What that substance will be and how we produce it may change, however.

 

[ollie989898]

You’ll have a robotic feeder before that happens. They already exist and more will come

Already exist, run a feeder wagon on an overhead rail and use nothing but electric motors. Makes a tractor and mixer look utterly daft. Same for bedding machines, I've already seen them in use years ago. Design your buildings right and you can have a near zero daily labour requirement. I saw a beef farmer in Denmark who had a system taking in weaned calves to finishing, 1 long shed all you had to do was put a hesston bale in the machine a few times a week with a loader and get a feed company to blow a coarse mix in a bin every so often.

 

[Cowabunga]

In 10 years JLR have gone from promoting diesels, then petrol and in 4 years you can't have either.

They probably will never get their money's worth from the relatively new dedicated engine factory at Wolverhampton, by the side of the M54. Billions have been spent on developing the Ingenium engine range and they have only recently released their first diesel inline six cylinder engine. As far as I know they have yet to launch the three cylinder engine variants.

 

[thesilentone]

The issue of electric v ICE and CO2 pale into insignificance when you're talking about Arms.

The middle east is the one of the biggest oil producers, as well as far and away the biggest arms buyers on the planet.

We exported £14,000,000,000 in Arms last year, 80% went to the Middle East.

They may have a say in the speed we shift away from ICE engines and heavy fuel oil.

it would be quite a spectacle seeing electric powered tankers delivering oil............

 

[ollie989898]

The issue of electric v ICE and CO2 pale into insignificance when you're talking about Arms.

The middle east is the one of the biggest oil producers, as well as far and away the biggest arms buyers on the planet.

We exported £14,000,000,000 in Arms last year, 80% went to the Middle East.

They may have a say in the speed we shift away from ICE engines and heavy fuel oil.

But oil demand is pretty low and natural gas is so cheap it's ridiculous. The Middle East states are feeling the pinch, some of them are developing their tourist industries and others are building nuclear reactors or intend to. One of the huge flashpoints is the idea of a pipeline from the Middle East to Europe through Turkey, only Russia won't want it for obvious reasons.

Trump was desperate to get American LNG sent to Europe but its more expensive than pipelining it from Russia.

This is all big big money we are talking about.