Jaguar Land Rover all electric vehicles from 2025

[thesilentone]

But oil demand is pretty low and natural gas is so cheap it's ridiculous. The Middle East states are feeling the pinch, some of them are developing their tourist industries and others are building nuclear reactors or intend to. One of the huge flashpoints is the idea of a pipeline from the Middle East to Europe through Turkey, only Russia won't want it for obvious reasons.

Trump was desperate to get American LNG sent to Europe but its more expensive than pipelining it from Russia.

This is all big big money we are talking about.

It's already a reality: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/fac...d-stream-2-links-germany-russia-splits-europe

oil demand: https://www.statista.com/statistics/271823/daily-global-crude-oil-demand-since-2006/

 

[ollie989898]

It's already a reality: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/fac...d-stream-2-links-germany-russia-splits-europe

That is Nord Stream 2- a pipeline from Russia to Germany.

I don't believe the pipeline from the middle East to Europe is in place yet??

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Hydrogen is the alternative

But where is the carbon that is needed for the process?

 

[sjt01]

But where is the carbon that is needed for the process?

Hydrogen can do the reduction as well as carbon. Any carbon needed for the alloying process is minimal, and is not lost to the atmosphere.

 

[ploughman1963]

Do they need much coal in arc furnaces as opposed to blast furnaces?

Only what I heard on the radio the other day - coal from the new coal mine in Cumbria is apparently required for steel smelting - alternative was to import the coal - apparently

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Hydrogen can do the reduction as well as carbon. Any carbon needed for the alloying process is minimal, and is not lost to the atmosphere.

Seem to be all pilot plants at the moment.

Hydrogen as a Clean Alternative in the Iron and Steel Industry — Fuel Cell & Hydrogen Energy Association

Hydrogen is being explored as a means to decarbonize industrial processes that have struggled to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as iron and steel production.

www.fchea.org

Hope it all works out for them.

 

[Cowabunga]

Seem to be all pilot plants at the moment.

Hydrogen as a Clean Alternative in the Iron and Steel Industry — Fuel Cell & Hydrogen Energy Association

Hydrogen is being explored as a means to decarbonize industrial processes that have struggled to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as iron and steel production.

www.fchea.org

Hope it all works out for them.

I think technology will sort the carbon used in steel production. Not so sure about cement production though. Cement is a MASSIVE problem.

 

[HDAV]

The world is going to need all the copper it can get....this is the time to invest in copper guys and gals...Just think about it for 1 min

Too late china bought most africa for that very reason

 

[Tubbylew]

I think technology will sort the carbon used in steel production. Not so sure about cement production though. Cement is a MASSIVE problem.

Humanity has ceaslessly consumed planet since the stoneage, this will never alter as long as humanity exists. It doesn't really matter, so far as I can see, what powers the car, the only environmentally friendly car is no car, and cars don't seem likely to go out of fashion any time soon. I'm afraid i'm rather sceptical about humanities abillity to invent and consume a way out of the mess we're in, noble though it undoubtedly is.

 

[thesilentone]

Humanity has ceaslessly consumed planet since the stoneage, this will never alter as long as humanity exists. It doesn't really matter, so far as I can see, what powers the car, the only environmentally friendly car is no car, and cars don't seem likely to go out of fashion any time soon. I'm afraid i'm rather sceptical about humanities abillity to invent and consume a way out of the mess we're in, noble though it undoubtedly is.

Yes, their is a certain inevitability about the whole issue. The only real way to reduce global warming is population control, we need a good war or pandemic, hang on, wait a minute........

This is reality: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Only one EU Country in the top 20.

 

[ollie989898]

Yes, their is a certain inevitability about the whole issue. The only real way to reduce global warming is population control, we need a good war or pandemic, hang on, wait a minute........

This is reality: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Only one EU Country in the top 20.

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Most of those economies will need to grow a lot until their quality of life increases to the extent that their populations level out and begin to fall. I would suggest that both China and India are probably on the cusp of this ceiling. In the others the wealth inequality is still too huge.

Make people rich and they will stop having children.

 

[e3120]

Did anyone else get deliberately confused by how this was reported yesterday? The Beeb news said that "JLR will produce electric vehicles only from 2025" and that "By the end of the decade all of its cars, including Landrover models, will be powered by electricity to achieve net zero carbon emissions by 2039".

Like the OP, I initially heard this as nothing but pure electric for all brands from 2025, but the 2nd bit didn't agree with this. I rewound it a few times to see what smoke and mirrors was involved. The usual trick is to say that x manufacturer will only offer electric versions of all models by x, which can simply mean the mildest of mild hybrids across the board.

As far as I can gather today, it's Jaguar-only by 2025. Significant in itself, if the brand is still a player by then, but was this crap reporting by auntie or a crafty misleading release by JLR?

 

[sjt01]

Most of those economies will need to grow a lot until their quality of life increases to the extent that their populations level out and begin to fall. I would suggest that both China and India are probably on the cusp of this ceiling. In the others the wealth inequality is still too huge.

Make people rich and they will stop having children.

The Gapminder Foundation has some really interesting data on this and other statistics, well worth a few minutes to explore
https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$s...dMax:null&spaceRef:null;;;&chart-type=bubbles

 

[Tarw Coch]

The detail is in the words ....... ‘to stop MAKING......’

They’ll be using combustion engines made by a third party they’ll no doubt be funding in one way or another.

The devil is allways in the detail.
Can’t remember exactly where I heard it but on the TV about a week or so ago someone was explaining that this no petrol or diesel cars from 2030 didn’t actually mean no cars with petrol or Diesel engines, it actually meant no cars powered solely by petrol or diesel.
Don’t know how much authority they were speaking with but I did think it was backtracking a bit from what I thought had been announced if they knew what they were talking about.
Time will tell but it might mean hybrids not all electric from 2030

 

[Cowabunga]

The devil is allways in the detail.
Can’t remember exactly where I heard it but on the TV about a week or so ago someone was explaining that this no petrol or diesel cars from 2030 didn’t actually mean no cars with petrol or Diesel engines, it actually meant no cars powered solely by petrol or diesel.
Don’t know how much authority they were speaking with but I did think it was backtracking a bit from what I thought had been announced if they knew what they were talking about.
Time will tell but it might mean hybrids not all electric from 2030

No, it actually means no internal combustion engines at all on new factory built and sold cars. However, the UK is once again gold-plating regulations and other countries will be working to a different timetable and some will ignore the issue altogether.
There is no detail yet on what is considered to be a 'car'. It will not cover large commercial vehicles, that's for sure, but nobody has mentioned small and medium commercial vehicles for which there will probably be a very limited choice in the UK timeframe.

The devil will be in the detail and, like brexit, the detail may well be fudged until the last minute or later.

As for hybrids, they could mandate for hybrid vehicles only within 48 months. There is already plenty of choice and very much more to come over the next twelve months and there are no charging issues.

 

[Cowabunga]

I think technology will sort the carbon used in steel production. Not so sure about cement production though. Cement is a MASSIVE problem.

Just did some research and the steel carbon conundrum is technically solved...

 

[Martin Holden]

Volvo have joined the cessation of the ICE from 2030 apparently. I’m not against electrification has anyone done research on electrics green credentials? It’s got to be generated stored and distributed. What about a he silence? How many pedestrians could be injured because they can’t here the vehicles coming. What about Ag’? Electric combine for example? Sounds like a fire risk (but then they still burn today). What’s happened to hydrogen fuel cell development? I thought I read some years ago of some clever engineers that developed an engine (possibly 1 cylinder) that burned fossil fuels with no harmful exhaust gases. Was I dreaming? @Cowabunga do you recall this?

 

[Stuart J]

Volvo have joined the cessation of the ICE from 2030 apparently. I’m not against electrification has anyone done research on electrics green credentials? It’s got to be generated stored and distributed. What about a he silence? How many pedestrians could be injured because they can’t here the vehicles coming. What about Ag’? Electric combine for example? Sounds like a fire risk (but then they still burn today). What’s happened to hydrogen fuel cell development? I thought I read some years ago of some clever engineers that developed an engine (possibly 1 cylinder) that burned fossil fuels with no harmful exhaust gases. Was I dreaming? @Cowabunga do you recall this?

I hope someone did the same research into pedestrian injuries before the move from horse and cart to motor cars.

 

[Martin Holden]

I hope someone did the same research into pedestrian injuries before the move from horse and cart to motor cars.

Hah, probably not, but early cars had a "walker" in front with a horn to warn people!