All food production globally is subsidised by governments where possible to prevent shortage and unrest..
Its as basic as that and England is no exception stategically
Janet Hughes DEFRA Missing in action?
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Its as basic as that and England is no exception stategically
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So you mean "if you don't pay, we're not farming"?
How do you think that will work out ?
Hi @Janet Hughes Defra
glad you're back, sorry you've been unwell.
To save you a whole lot of time (and I realise that you don't want to save too much of your specific time, in case someone decides they no longer require Janet Hughes)...
the pending food crisis, which Delilah is adamant isn't coming, is being compounded by a lot of us seeing a reduction in the subs with which we top up our business account.
This will lead to some - perhaps half if I guessed- reducing output through lower inputs...fert specifically, but there's other problems afoot.
This will obviously have a serious impact on self-sufficiency in a grossly shortened global market.
Perhaps, helping protect your desk, you might have a back-up plan to roll out in a hurry next winter.
Make sure you've got the BPS records from 2020, and be ready to simply roll them out for a year or two until both world trade/supply, and your own misguided plans have re-adjusted to a new world order.
That would keep more of us in the game, and with a bit of gagging the 'natures lovely, farmers are horrid' rhetoric, you'll have a chance of getting us back up to full production.
With the added bonus that JH's would be a hero in Whitehall!
You can thank me later
glad you're back, sorry you've been unwell.
To save you a whole lot of time (and I realise that you don't want to save too much of your specific time, in case someone decides they no longer require Janet Hughes)...
the pending food crisis, which Delilah is adamant isn't coming, is being compounded by a lot of us seeing a reduction in the subs with which we top up our business account.
This will lead to some - perhaps half if I guessed- reducing output through lower inputs...fert specifically, but there's other problems afoot.
This will obviously have a serious impact on self-sufficiency in a grossly shortened global market.
Perhaps, helping protect your desk, you might have a back-up plan to roll out in a hurry next winter.
Make sure you've got the BPS records from 2020, and be ready to simply roll them out for a year or two until both world trade/supply, and your own misguided plans have re-adjusted to a new world order.
That would keep more of us in the game, and with a bit of gagging the 'natures lovely, farmers are horrid' rhetoric, you'll have a chance of getting us back up to full production.
With the added bonus that JH's would be a hero in Whitehall!
You can thank me later
Won't talk to me but will talk about me, how rude
.Is that your co-design submission then: Put ELMS on hold for two years ?
Firstly, it won't happen.
Secondly, then what ? What do you think ELMS should look like in two years time ? Because, if you can't say, it's just more whingeing.
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
England will be an exception as the English Government (and to a lesser extent the other UK administrations), as they want to subsidise owning land and NOT producing food, rather growing wild flowers/trees and letting loose wild animals that make farming harder, and the politicians haven't realised yet that food will be short in the world and importing will not only cost our consumers more, but will mean that other poorer countries will end up starving.
Not racist at all to let Africans starve, so we can re introduce Sea Eagles here in the UK!
As we've discussed, and you know very well, I do rather more than sit and whinge.Won't talk to me but will talk about me, how rude
Is that your co-design submission then: Put ELMS on hold for two years ?
Firstly, it won't happen.
Secondly, then what ? What do you think ELMS should look like in two years time ? Because, if you can't say, it's just more whingeing.
And as we've also discussed, I'm not interested in talking to you.
(my considered opinion is that you ought to seek help.....and we're all allowed an opinion.)
Elms should be scrapped completely and carry on with BPS as before , but only allowed to claim if bona fide farm business .Won't talk to me but will talk about me, how rude
Is that your co-design submission then: Put ELMS on hold for two years ?
Firstly, it won't happen.
Secondly, then what ? What do you think ELMS should look like in two years time ? Because, if you can't say, it's just more whingeing.
Quite. Which is why I am bemused that you wont say what you think ELMS should look like. Presumably you are telling those you have the ear of. Why not share on here so that others can tell Defra the same.
The irony of you being so rude to, and about, me, is this: My suggestion as to what ELMS should look like marries perfectly with your concerns. We are on the same side. I have no idea why you have the hump.
@Janet Hughes Defra needs to explain why that cant happen. It has been intimated that it is for purely political reasons. We need to 'do things differently', Brexit and all that.
(If that is the case, then fine, there's no reason why SFI standards can't be written that are 'the same but different'.)
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- Essex
So you want to reverse the last few years ag policy plans, presumably in favour of more subsidies?
The pending food crisis you cite, will it be good or bad for farmers. Are you expecting prices to rise or fall?
Personally, if prices continue to rise like this, I might have my best ever year. Note the words if and might. If I do it will be because I have made some decisions and been rewarded by the market.
Why is there so much opposition to farmers being financially independent? I just don't get it
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- Essex
By bona fide, do you mean loss making?
Why would I ?
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- Essex
Otherwise why would you be calling for the return of the bps?
Exactly because at the moment @Janet Hughes Defra those industrial farmers who are doing the most for the environment on a metre squared basis are about to be discriminated against because of your CS double funding rules.. In my opinion we need triple funding if we also produce food as a public good.. your sfi standards dont work and will not stand up to farm level scrutiny at present.
Rip them up and start again and ask your teams to start listening again??
I'm a realist about my own business.
I produce -primarily- suckled calves, hairy yearling stores, and store hill lambs.
(The icing on the farming cake is sale of pedigree/draft breeding stock, where my very hungry hill and haphazard farming skills make my stock fairly sought)
I cannot for the life of me see how I'm going to, even this year, top £100k in stock sales.
Without subs, my farm business would absolutely have to be kept to 'dog and stick'...which in turn would knock production back a bit, see a steady collapse in infrastructure, and put people around me out of work.
It doesn't matter much to me how Janet or anyone else dresses it up.
With those payments, I'll keep the cow numbers up.....without em they'll plummet.
I think there is a food crisis coming...i don't see how it can be avoided.
I take it your (possible) fantastic year this year will partially ride on high prices for produce grown on inputs bought before the jump in price?
Certainly the grown up (arable) farmers I'm talking to locally are in that boat, but already scratching their heads about how much to commit for 2023.
DEFRA should be knocking at their door right now and asking. Are they? Are they fudge.
For the record, I personally couldn't care two hoots about the fate of those who cannot afford to eat - wherever they are.
My concern is for the social unrest and upset various scenarios conjure.
Its global... we would love to be independant
There is no food crisis coming for a rich nation that sits with 4 others on the UN security council... we will get what our people need where ever we wish... 3rd world nations will suffer not the UK..fact
and thereby hangs the problem.
Are we going to sit and watch?
are they going to stay where they are?