Hello there - I'm sorry, I'm not able to comment on this - I'm a civil servant, not a politician; nobody has elected me and it's not for me to comment on political questions and policy debates
Janet Hughes DEFRA Missing in action?
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Thank you for replying, is their somebody higher up at Defra that could comment?
if you run such successful arable farm business why do you need public money to bolster it up ?
I must admit i don't understand why there is constant whinging and nit picking ie wanting more subsidising in some way or another ,from such patronising clever clogs which others and you always post like. lol.
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Ref the last few posts (and I make no apology for saying this on here over and over again as I believe it to be an important point ) there is one simple way in which Defra can meet all of their environmental objectives and simultaneously boost UK agricultural output. Limit area payments to PP.
One equally important point that needs some clarification... How long does grass have to be down, before becoming PP??
Fair enough, but nobody elected Carrie Johnson or 'lord' goldsmith either, and they seem to be the main policy makers
Funny because I understood that you said you & your compatriots are designing this scheme with ministers approval, maybe the time has come to stand up & make some fresh suggestions to them!
Hi Janet, further to my previous post, within a very few years if you continue on the path you are headed an awful lot of poorer families with children are going to struggle to feed themselves & food banks will spring up just about everywhere, do you really want it on your conscience that you are in part the instigator of this.
Now is the time to stand up to the fools above you & explain to them the real facts of life rather than the fairy tale world they seem to live in!
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yellow belly
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under current circumstances today there is no need for any payments from government due to the war in ukraineif you run such successful arable farm business why do you need public money to bolster it up ?
I must admit i don't understand why there is constant whinging and nit picking ie wanting more subsidising in some way or another ,from such patronising clever clogs which others and you always post like. lol.
without the war
the govements environmentle payment system would compete with farmers for land
land owners and land buyers are looking at entering all their land into schemes and leaving farm tenents with no business
in 3 months time all the above could be irelivent as every acre could be needed
the senario
would be no grain or very little coming out of the black sea
usa has a drought the wheat crop is suffering badly
we have to aply for the environmentle scheme in advance of knowing the planing conditions of the crop
if there is no fine for not applying the options when the food needed helps with putting a sustainable plan in place
Quite. I would be delighted is we could see the whole ELMS debate refocused towards PP so that such detail could be discussed.
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5 years at present assuming the goalposts aren’t moved for a new scheme
But lots of large estates have huge areas of parkland, often around the big house and with just a few deer or sheep grazing it. Just look at places like Attingham park in Shropshire. Why keep paying for this type of land as it’s never going to be ploughed up anyway .
Quite. Hence my suggestion that it needs to be weighted as per attached. (indicative figures; @Janet Hughes Defra has a whole team of number crunchers who need to come up with something within their budget).
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Worse still, one of them was actively unelected days before being given a lifetime elevation to the upper house.Fair enough, but nobody elected Carrie Johnson or 'lord' goldsmith either, and they seem to be the main policy makers
At least the other will have a finite duration in power.
Cos the NT need the money to "allow them to maintain the environment" or some such tosh.
Well AIUI, that is more teh BPS ruling... whether it will be appropriate in the future, who knows? So in a possible SFI, pitched to PP, how long before it becomes eligible...? Staged increase in payments over the first 3-5 years??
Equally important, is how long PP must remain.
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I think the clue might be PERMANANT pasture
Ahhh, but if the money runs out, then all of a sudden, the imperative to keep it in grass, might disappear!
I suspect this is the driver to "encourage" us to grow trees, as once in, they are hard to remove!
See the thread below, for what i allude to...
STW Tree Planting Grant to give them the carbon credits!
Tempting....? I think not! I have attached the details below. Money on offer is not enough to lock up the area with trees. Severn Trent are looking to plant 622 acres of trees to offset some of the carbon footprint of the Commonwealth Games. Sites over 20 Acres will receive a premium...
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What about farms who have no Permanent Pasture, No hedges, and No ditches, rivers or lakes ?????