Jb Diego or reflection??

Zan

Member
Can't decided if I should grow Jb or reflection this year, also growing sky fall and Siskin but can't decide between these two?
Jb has always been consistent but reflection has been heavy yields this year but yet struggled with yellow rust!
 

Vernon

Member
Location
Wiltshire
Dropped Diego here for reflection last year. Reflection out yielded anything we've grown before but with rust pressures cost a lot to get there. Dropping reflection this year to grow more skyfall, rightly or wrongly as skyfall has only disappointed this harvest. Diego is making a return this year too, would drop some skyfall for Diego if skyfall seed wasn't already delivered.
Vernon
 

Zan

Member
Dropped Diego here for reflection last year. Reflection out yielded anything we've grown before but with rust pressures cost a lot to get there. Dropping reflection this year to grow more skyfall, rightly or wrongly as skyfall has only disappointed this harvest. Diego is making a return this year too, would drop some skyfall for Diego if skyfall seed wasn't already delivered.
Vernon

See I've done almost identical to you, growing more sky fall but not doubting it as its not done too well this year. [emoji85]
 

Brisel

Member
NFFN Member
Location
North Yorkshire
I'm dropping Reflection for Graham. Reflection has done pretty well but with other good wheats on the RL with much better disease scores I didn't want the rust risk again. A small spray miss at T1 died completely before we could get the T2 on.

Graham - good septoria score which I like here in the wet West
Diego - consistently one of the best yielders here but becoming dirtier
Siskin - replacing Lili which still hasn't ripened fully & has had fusarium despite a good earwash. Rust pre Christmas too but looked good since. Siskin has early maturity which for a miller suits me nicely.
 

Barry

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
If it has to be one or the other then whichever you grow Diego or Reflection - you need to keep on top of the rust. What we can't be sure about it how bad a year it will be for yellow rust. But either way don't make it an acreage you will struggle to give a priority too. If it was a 2nd wheat situation I think I would go for Diego. Slightly better Septoria too.

The Yellow Rust score on Reflection is about as low as it can be, but if you kept on top of it then maybe that will be the better choice of the two.


Barry
 

chickens and wheat

Member
Mixed Farmer
We has a few small misses in reflection that yellowed badly after T1 but the rust never returned, crop yielded well , however Im back to diego this year, mainly due to a surplus of diego seed from an undrillable field last autumn.
 

richard hammond

Member
BASIS
If it has to be one or the other then whichever you grow Diego or Reflection - you need to keep on top of the rust. What we can't be sure about it how bad a year it will be for yellow rust. But either way don't make it an acreage you will struggle to give a priority too. If it was a 2nd wheat situation I think I would go for Diego. Slightly better Septoria too.

The Yellow Rust score on Reflection is about as low as it can be, but if you kept on top of it then maybe that will be the better choice of the two.


Barry
I will all ways admit when I open my gob to quickly, in the spring I was saying I will never grow Reflection again because of YR, BUT after hitting it very early after T0 with another "well timed" T0.5 it is doing very well. So I have had a re think and will include a small area of Reflection on most of my clients areas.
(the chems used were very cheap, ie Teb+CTL.
 

Zan

Member
Decision is made, I'm having reflection, cut some more today that's looked awful all year as sat in water on cold ground.....still done surprisingly well.
It will only amount to around 80 acres so easy to keep on top of it with the sprayer if it's needed but fingers crossed a colder winter sorts out some of the rust issues.
 

Grain Buyer

Member
Location
Omnipresent
I'm not sure what difference any of that makes? They are both feed wheats?
Store all my own and dry as needed. Mid Lincs area.

Have you heard the term "grow for the market?" You are also twixed between Siskin and Skyfall.

G4's are making £5 prems in the right area, G3 softs, £9, again, in the right area. Skyfall is valued into mills over Siskin. I asked about storage as segregation may be an issue. I asked about drying as some farms look to cut off the field and send to boats on claims. Some farmers just want to produce a big bulk of feed wheat, other capture premiums.......now do you understand what difference it makes?
 

Andrew K

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Essex
Have you heard the term "grow for the market?" You are also twixed between Siskin and Skyfall.

G4's are making £5 prems in the right area, G3 softs, £9, again, in the right area. Skyfall is valued into mills over Siskin. I asked about storage as segregation may be an issue. I asked about drying as some farms look to cut off the field and send to boats on claims. Some farmers just want to produce a big bulk of feed wheat, other capture premiums.......now do you understand what difference it makes?
i think Camgrain are using reflection in the clean wheat plant, should be worth more?
 

Zan

Member
Have you heard the term "grow for the market?" You are also twixed between Siskin and Skyfall.

G4's are making £5 prems in the right area, G3 softs, £9, again, in the right area. Skyfall is valued into mills over Siskin. I asked about storage as segregation may be an issue. I asked about drying as some farms look to cut off the field and send to boats on claims. Some farmers just want to produce a big bulk of feed wheat, other capture premiums.......now do you understand what difference it makes?


With the greatest of respect that's not the question I was asking?? I was simply asking people's opinions of reflection or Jb Diego.
 

Brisel

Member
NFFN Member
Location
North Yorkshire
Diego is trading at a £5/t premium around here. Well, it was last week anyway.

I get a premium for mine most years but I don't give it any extra N chasing higher proteins. Last year all my wheats sprouted in the ear so nothing was anything other than feed. Reflection should yield more which balances that out. I hope Reflection seed prices come down given its well documented yellow rust problems.
 

Joe Boy

Member
Location
Essex
Diego is trading at a £5/t premium around here. Well, it was last week anyway.

I get a premium for mine most years but I don't give it any extra N chasing higher proteins. Last year all my wheats sprouted in the ear so nothing was anything other than feed. Reflection should yield more which balances that out. I hope Reflection seed prices come down given its well documented yellow rust problems.

What market does Diego go into that gets this premium? What protein level does it need to justify the premium?
 

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