JD 6155r V Fendt 718

[Farma Parma]

You have a magic 939 that blew its engine up.

Not wanting to start the bitching fight yet again, the Mans 939 had an engine issue we all know that, it was a major engine recall job on a lot of 939s in fact
which inc new Pistons,Piston Oil Sealing Rings etc etc as Fendt new there was an Oil consumption issue on them Engines & they did the right thing
which was all sorted by FENDT. to no cost to the owners i might add.

If you want to know how i know this we both use the same Dealer & ive had the story from the Mechanic himself a man who we both hold to very high regard.

All this whinging on about oh its costs to have the dealers service your tractors Yes it does, but does your time not cost you neither?
you still have to buy oils n filters its only the mans labour etc on top hardly the end of the world.
Ive often been able to do other jobs whilst the Mechanic is here servicing one of mine & got some work done that would otherwise had to wait
when your on your own a fair bit of the year getting a Mechanic in isnt such a bad idea.
we know the genuine filters/some parts are expensive & outside of warranty you can buy cheaper ones.

AGCO's warranty is by far the best in the industry here & for those who dont see this as a valuable addition to there tractor purchase are bigger fools themselves.

Out side of warranty your on your own as i think even Speedstar know realizes this & has learnt from it.

Plus the fact you can now extend the warranty on even a used fendt to 8000hrs & poss to 10000 before very much longer

The whole Fendt argument verses there higher costs poss stack up for some? ive not been able to justify this myself as i dont do huge yearly hours & not a contractor
plus i don't own the farm, i rent it & ask the dealers who mostly buys a FENDT & i get the same answer from all dealers

From My understanding the way the service of things is dealt with from the Red & Green brands under the AGCO umbrella is slightly diff even tho the warranty side of things
is all sold as being much the same level of service from both

Ive had several brilliant experiences of full warranties on massey tractors & under warranty there running costs is all straight forward no hidden huge bills.

As for the OP about a 6155R vs a 718 id say there pretty much matched

my neighbour runs an 15month old Deere as above & it replaced a 6920autopwr, this one is same trans, first thing he commented on was it could do with a little
more power. Its not got Guidance or anything too flash neither.

Anything else to answer here ?

 

[Farma Parma]

I asked if anyone ever seen a advert of a used tractor with full dealer service history?

If you look to purchase anything AGCO sells it could have had for instance 5yr 5000hr warranty on & sold at 3 or 4 yr old, this doesnt half give the used man
some confidence that A. the tractor has been all serviced under warranty by the Dealer & access to all of this on AGCOs systems as i have looked at plenty myself
be in Massey/Fendt or Valtra, tech Challengers will be the same but very limited markets buying them used.
and B. whatever time & hours is left on that warranty gives the purchaser complete confidence everything is pretty much covered the same as it was the day it was new.
i wonder how many folks outside of AGCO's warranty have full knowledge of this ?

 

[stevedave]

The Dealer serviced tractors are under warranty & are the cheapest tractors we have every run

I'm not questioning how cheap they are to run that is a different argument. All I'm asking is does it pay to have dealer serviced tractors? Will you recoup that money at trade in time?

 

[James]

@Farma Parma I understood that the agco fendt warranty was extendable by 2000 hrs on top of whatever hrs the tractor has when buying second hand from a fendt dealer

 

[Farma Parma]

@Farma Parma I understood that the agco fendt warranty was extendable by 2000 hrs on top of whatever hrs the tractor has when buying second hand from a fendt dealer

It might be i dont know the fendt terms, massey wise you cant unless the tractor has only done 3000hrs is it?
its either a max of 5000 or 6000hrs or 5yr on a massey sum1 will correct me here, a Fendt is uptp 8000hrs & a longer term 8years & 10000 is coming
something along them lines anyways. most probs tells us all on Fendts website (away too look)

AGCO Dealer Servicing | Fendt | UK

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and Masseys
MF Care Gold – Extended Warranty Contract for Repair
Our extended warranty contracts offer security against repair costs (except wear) and give you ultimate peace of mind. They are flexible, offering three excess levels - £0, £190 or £490 and are available up to 5 years or 6,000 hours.*

AGCO Dealer Servicing | Massey Ferguson | UK

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[Spud]

MF warranty can be extended to a Max of 5yrs 6000hrs, provided it's still in warranty when extended.

I bought my 15 plate 7618 in Feb 18 with 1500hrs and two months & 1500hrs warranty left. I extended it to 5yrs 4000hrs, so it runs out shortly. It's done 3600 odd hrs currently.
Ottomh it cost about a pound an hour to extend it, so 2 grand.
To be fair it's had very little done to it indeed, so the warranty has been the expensive route this time, particularly given its had to be dealer serviced during the warranty period.

Re the labour not being the end of the world - that usually brays a hole in a grand on a big service, money worth saving when we're quite capable of servicing them ourselves, in conjunction with mfr service schedule sheets.
Some folk just don't like getting their hands mucky!

 

[Farma Parma]

MF warranty can be extended to a Max of 5yrs 6000hrs, provided it's still in warranty when extended.

I bought my 15 plate 7618 in Feb 18 with 1500hrs and two months & 1500hrs warranty left. I extended it to 5yrs 4000hrs, so it runs out shortly. It's done 3600 odd hrs currently.
Ottomh it cost about a pound an hour to extend it, so 2 grand.
To be fair it's had very little done to it indeed, so the warranty has been the expensive route this time, particularly given its had to be dealer serviced during the warranty period.

Re the labour not being the end of the world - that usually brays a hole in a grand on a big service, money worth saving when we're quite capable of servicing them ourselves, in conjunction with mfr service schedule sheets.
Some folk just don't like getting their hands mucky!

Better safe than sorry eh Spud
if the Trans fails on these VT's its all covered but we both know that !
that £2k is luck money & all tax deductable just like the labour charges from the dealer.
Once out of warranty ive even had some of the big services still done by the dealer for the right reasons
but do the lesser ones mesel of course.
We all value our time differently i guess.

As for will be get any of this back in used values poss not that much but it all depends on how your looking at it.
I dont sell from New many tractors here for a long time so its all really irrelevant in that case.

 

[James]

It might be i dont know the fendt terms, massey wise you cant unless the tractor has only done 3000hrs is it?
its either a max of 5000 or 6000hrs or 5yr on a massey sum1 will correct me here, a Fendt is uptp 8000hrs & a longer term 8years & 10000 is coming
something along them lines anyways. most probs tells us all on Fendts website (away too look)

AGCO Dealer Servicing | Fendt | UK

Discover a range of servicing and maintenance options available for Fendt machines at official AGCO dealerships

www.agcopartsandservice.com

and Masseys
MF Care Gold – Extended Warranty Contract for Repair
Our extended warranty contracts offer security against repair costs (except wear) and give you ultimate peace of mind. They are flexible, offering three excess levels - £0, £190 or £490 and are available up to 5 years or 6,000 hours.*

AGCO Dealer Servicing | Massey Ferguson | UK

Discover a range of servicing and maintenance options available for Massey Ferguson machines at official AGCO dealerships

www.agcopartsandservice.com

It was a new warranty type that fendt were talking about at lamma but maybes I took them up wrong

 

[Claasman]

If you give them enough stick when buying you can usually get a bit of warranty thrown in on the deal

 

[Speedstar]

I'm not questioning how cheap they are to run that is a different argument. All I'm asking is does it pay to have dealer serviced tractors? Will you recoup that money at trade in time?

Simple answer yes

 

[Spencer]

I asked if anyone ever seen a advert of a used tractor with full dealer service history?

Ah ok.. meant to say I advertised my last one for sale with Full service history.

 

[stevedave]

Simple answer yes

So if you spend an extra £5000 on servicing that tractor will be worth £5000 + at trade in time?

 

[icanshootwell]

So if you spend an extra £5000 on servicing that tractor will be worth £5000 + at trade in time?

Don't think so, the dealer might give you a slightly better deal on trade in if they have done all the servicing but private sale, you get what you can. How many tractor s do you see for sale advertised with full service history.?

 

[Finn farmer]

I'm not questioning how cheap they are to run that is a different argument. All I'm asking is does it pay to have dealer serviced tractors? Will you recoup that money at trade in time?

Then again servicing it yourself doesn't add any value and eats into the other (profitable) things you could be doing. Servicemans labour and parts are all tax deductable. And i'd rather be working a field or at the farm house than do a job (tractor service) that doesn't affect income. And there's no question about warranty if something breaks.

And yes, Case dealer told us that he's paying us a few g's more for our Mf since it has all the services done by a professional. And the full service history was mentioned first in the ad when it came out.

When the times get rough, tractor servicing is the one thing that farmers tend to skimp on first. Put a few hundred more hours before changing oil etc. And that's what kills the machine quite a bit faster.

 

[icanshootwell]

Then again servicing it yourself doesn't add any value and eats into the other (profitable) things you could be doing. Servicemans labour and parts are all tax deductable. And i'd rather be working a field or at the farm house than do a job (tractor service) that doesn't affect income. And there's no question about warranty if something breaks.

And yes, Case dealer told us that he's paying us a few g's more for our Mf since it has all the services done by a professional. And the full service history was mentioned first in the ad when it came out.

When the times get rough, tractor servicing is the one thing that farmers tend to skimp on first. Put a few hundred more hours before changing oil etc. And that's what kills the machine quite a bit faster.

Professionals you say, you would like to think so. Last time 2 young lads from the dealership did a service on my fendt, they scratched the bonnet and got oil on the seat.

 

[Speedstar]

Don't think so, the dealer might give you a slightly better deal on trade in if they have done all the servicing but private sale, you get what you can. How many tractor s do you see for sale advertised with full service history.?

Look at the bigger picture,we export some of our tractors and they are worth a lot more with full service history, take a drive to main land Europe or a flight to the states and see for yourself

 

[Speedstar]

So if you spend an extra £5000 on servicing that tractor will be worth £5000 + at trade in time?

How is it £5000 more to service it , what do you put your time down as when you do it your self ? our machine will be some of the best serviced machines in the country , whether done in house or by a dealership, we have our oils tested on the machine we service it house to see what is going on with things, you know oil & grease are your best friend , we do not all ways trade tractors in we market them to get the best price we can for them, every body to there own business

 

[fieldfarmer]

if the Trans fails on these VT's its all covered but we both know that !


[/QUOTE]

Sorry to alter your post, but I think @chaffcutter said one of clive's had a problem with the gearbox and they had to pay in warrenty because the tractor had "over sped " in the stored history. but I may have misunderstood the post.

 

[chaffcutter]

Not the gearbox but the brakes iirc, about four years ago now I think.

 

[fieldfarmer]

Not the gearbox but the brakes iirc, about four years ago now I think.

That would explain it then, don't know any that will stand brakes under warranty now.