Joel Salatin; The Role of Livestock in Future Farming Systems, Gloucestershire

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
Last night I attended a fascinating (but fairly high brow) conference around #sustainablelivestock at the University of Bristol. The key note speaker was Joel Salatin with some great supporting speakers. Of note, Dr Zoe Harcombe ; a well researched proponent of red meat.

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Today I had an impromptu invitation to attend a more practical on-farm talk around Polyface Farm from Joel Salatin and then a tour of Fir Farm, Lower Swell as guests of Lady Jane Parker, home to Firbosa Hereford cattle and who are embarking on farming systems following those of Joel Salatin.

I am told that there will be a video released of last night's and today's talks and I will re-post those; mainly because the information was as rich and deep a seam as Joel's compost and I'm not sure I can do it justice with a stream of notes

A few things do stick in my mind:

Joel is not organic - he wants to set his own bar and doesn't like paying in to a Government assurance program(me)

When Joel started out, his Father had land that was so thin they had to make concrete supports for electric fencing stakes, the soil was so thin.

Joel's organic fraction in his soil has gone from 1% to 8%

If the US farmland went from 1% to only 2% all of their carbon output could be sequestrated

The Salatin model is based on livestock, folded around pasture, minimal overheads and entry costs

All livestock equipment is portable to maintain soil condition as well as business flexibility

Joel earns a premium selling his own hybrid hen pullets to backyarders, gorilla and flexible marketing and delivery streams direct to the consumer with as many products as possible.

Joel prides himself in being people centric; urban direct customers and conversion, encouraging new entrants, exchanging capital for labour intensity and often resourced via "Fiefdoms" i.e. species / additional farming partnerships

Mob grazing

Ultra portable electric fencing to fold turkeys, layers, rooting rotovating pigs and cattle over pasture. The average acre supports 80 cow days in his valley. His system supports 400. Mob grazing, compost spreading, water storage and gravity irrigation, feeding shades to maximise urea retention are just a few techniques to get to this.

Joel's Son started young raising meat rabbits. These are line bred with no imported blood and selected like his poultry for functionality

The cattle are now entirely closed with "functional" Heinz 57 of breeds, only bulls from the oldest cows (12 years plus) are retained as future stock bulls.

Joel eschews investment in machinery save for multi-purpose general farm machinery; compact 4wd loader tractors, flat bed manure spreader, pto chipper to create bedding for cattle composting and a weird and impressive array of trailers and functional in-field housing, shelters, feeders and laying stations.

Hay is made by neighbour / contractors.

Joel's herd has a 40 day hay feeding Winter. His neighbour's average is 120 days. The alternative winter forage is based on foggage and undersown crops.

Composting is an art but a serious one. Hay is stored centrally in simple pole barns with covered cattle courts with open sides. Woodchip is used as bedding and the hayracks wind up as the compost level builds up. Maize is added to the woodchip bedding so that when the cattle are removed, pigs are penned in to root and turn the compost. Ditto poultry.

Joel uses space creation in animal housing to increase the capacity of his facilities without prejudicing health of any species by too many in one confined area. Polytunnels house hen laying boxes above pigs and with tiered rabbit cages on the sides. The latest format for polytunnels comprise concrete floors with irrigation channels to facilitate crops to be grown on the animal compost as a second phase; tomatoes, salads, mushrooms.

Joel is an evangelist with an enquiring mind, open, an optimist, creative, passionate and neutralises the "we can't do that because" argument. Even if you doubt some or all, I would commend that folks watch the videos when they are released; I guarantee there's something for everybody.


Thank you to the Pasture Fed Livestock Association www.pastureforlife.org and Sustainable Food Trust www.sustainablefoodtrust.org and hosts Fir Farm and Firbosa Herefords www.firbosaherefords.co.uk




A few photos to follow and I will update the thread with videos when I can
 
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unlacedgecko

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Sounds very interesting. Even if one cannot totally copy his direct selling model, there is plenty which can be taken away and incorporated into any farming system.

The multi species enterprise stacking is of particular interest. I know of some who already do something similar on a large commercial scale. @Tim May @CopperBeech

The incorporation of livestock into arable systems, and subsequent raising of soil fertility/organic matter is great.
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
Sounds very interesting. Even if one cannot totally copy his direct selling model, there is plenty which can be taken away and incorporated into any farming system.

The multi species enterprise stacking is of particular interest. I know of some who already do something similar on a large commercial scale. @Tim May @CopperBeech

The incorporation of livestock into arable systems, and subsequent raising of soil fertility/organic matter is great.

Yes good points. I actually revised my LinkedIn blog a bit more after posting here. Even arch sceptics can take something away from a Joel Salatin talk and I'd urge folks to watch the videos when they're released
 

gatepost

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Location
Cotswolds
At a glance, I read Jo Stalin! I think that the single enterprise 'efficiency' that we were indoctrinated with at college maybe at the route of a lot of problems that are now appearing, and that mixed farming were possible has a lot to offer in terms of basic sustainability.
 
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Last night I attended a fascinating (but fairly high brow) conference around #sustainablelivestock at the University of Bristol. The key note speaker was Joel Salatin with some great supporting speakers. Of note, Dr Zoe Harcombe ; a well researched proponent of red meat.

Today I had an impromptu invitation to attend a more practical on-farm talk around Polyface Farm from Joel Salatin and then a tour of Fir Farm, Lower Swell as guests of Lady Jane Parker, home to Firbosa Hereford cattle and who are embarking on farming systems following those of Joel Salatin.

I am told that there will be a video released of last night's and today's talks and I will re-post those; mainly because the information was as rich and deep a seam as Joel's compost and I'm not sure I can do it justice with a stream of notes

A few things do stick in my mind:

Joel is not organic - he wants to set his own bar and doesn't like paying in to a Government assurance program(me)

When Joel started out, his Father had land that was so thin they had to make concrete supports for electric fencing stakes, the soil was so thin.

Joel's organic fraction in his soil has gone from 1% to 8%

If the US farmland went from 1% to only 2% all of their carbon output could be sequestrated

The Salatin model is based on livestock, folded around pasture, minimal overheads and entry costs

All livestock equipment is portable to maintain soil condition as well as business flexibility

Joel earns a premium selling his own hybrid hen pullets to backyarders, gorilla and flexible marketing and delivery streams direct to the consumer with as many products as possible.

Joel prides himself in being people centric; urban direct customers and conversion, encouraging new entrants, exchanging capital for labour intensity and often resourced via "Fiefdoms" i.e. species / additional farming partnerships

Mob grazing

Ultra portable electric fencing to fold turkeys, layers, rooting rotovating pigs and cattle over pasture. The average acre supports 80 cow days in his valley. His system supports 400. Mob grazing, compost spreading, water storage and gravity irrigation, feeding shades to maximise urea retention are just a few techniques to get to this.

Joel's Son started young raising meat rabbits. These are line bred with no imported blood and selected like his poultry for functionality

The cattle are now entirely closed with "functional" Heinz 57 of breeds, only bulls from the oldest cows (12 years plus) are retained as future stock bulls.

Joel eschews investment in machinery save for multi-purpose general farm machinery; compact 4wd loader tractors, flat bed manure spreader, pto chipper to create bedding for cattle composting and a weird and impressive array of trailers and functional in-field housing, shelters, feeders and laying stations.

Hay is made by neighbour / contractors.

Joel's herd has a 40 day hay feeding Winter. His neighbour's average is 120 days. The alternative winter forage is based on foggage and undersown crops.

Composting is an art but a serious one. Hay is stored centrally in simple pole barns with covered cattle courts with open sides. Woodchip is used as bedding and the hayracks wind up as the compost level builds up. Maize is added to the woodchip bedding so that when the cattle are removed, pigs are penned in to root and turn the compost. Ditto poultry.

Joel uses space creation in animal housing to increase the capacity of his facilities without prejudicing health of any species by too many in one confined area. Polytunnels house hen laying boxes above pigs and with tiered rabbit cages on the sides. The latest format for polytunnels comprise concrete floors with irrigation channels to facilitate crops to be grown on the animal compost as a second phase; tomatoes, salads, mushrooms.

Joel is an evangelist with an enquiring mind, open, an optimist, creative, passionate and neutralises the "we can't do that because" argument. Even if you doubt some or all, I would commend that folks watch the videos when they are released; I guarantee there's something for everybody.


Thank you to the Pasture Fed Livestock Association www.pastureforlife.org and Sustainable Food Trust www.sustainablefoodtrust.org and hosts Fir Farm and Firbosa Herefords www.firbosaherefords.co.uk




A few photos to follow and I will update the thread with videos when I can
He's a bloody legend.
 
would of liked to have gone but two days away no go. We have our own eggmobile, use only hay not silage, have a pulley system for feeding inside. Mob graze and in organic conversion. The egg production is one of the best however due to mycoplasma and not having vaccinated birds from outset have now hit a major problem.
 
I've been a fan of his work for some time,
The use of Controlled and mob grazing really does work wonders, poor pasture really does improve, and stocking rates jump 10-20% in the first year.
More importantly it keeps the PK and on the same bit of land, rather than moving under trees or up the hill, and builds the soil so it stays put rather than leaches out.
I only graze sheep currently, so scope for practise is limited, but the differences are noticable.
Furthermore stock do seem to do better on it, generally faster finishing and alot less scouring problems.
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
There are plenty of vids on youtube. The Mercola ones are good for seeing things in action.

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sour...n=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=youtube salatin mercola

Many will still call him a snake oil salesman and I'm not going to argue with them. Many will say he's doing nothing new and he's not and he readily admits that. What he does say is that he's taking all those old ideas and improving them with new technology.

I adopted his chicken tractor design, not for broilers but to raise my pure breeds up to a size they can go out. This is not his idea, it was being done 100 years ago. BUT, since then, we have decided that raising chickens should be done in dark sheds, screened by trees with a fancy name on the gate. The point being I wouldn't have seen this idea without seeing a Salatin video on Youtube. Result is that I now raise all my birds this way and I can say, hand on heart that I have lost not 1 bird in this system through disease. Not 1 out of thousands. I did cull one with a bendy leg last year but that is it. It works and it's rocket fuel for the grass. It doesn't stink, all disease burden is left behind. Plus you are saving on food as they do eat the grass and weeds too.

There is much to be taken from this farm. Arguments about how profitable he is or how he makes his money should be ignored I think.
 

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