John Deere reducing dealerships

[Farma Parma]

I am not tearing anyone - I agree with you say
JD are good at what they do

Your right there very good at what they do why else have they been top seller of tractors for as long as i can remember
I still have no desire to have one myself but were all different, i just happen to wear red underkegs

 

[Farma Parma]

Now brexit is going to happen shouldnt we all be looking at getting behind a buy british policy where ever possible if we want the public to buy our beef and lamb etc

Well i guess if the likes of a certain 3 lettered wholly british Fastest Tractor record holder hint hint made some 150hp up models they might just have been an option..... there aint much current choice, blues are assembled here but its a austrian tractor underneath. is there any others?

 

[Speedstar]

what all you people forget is the blood brothers are still JD dealer nothing stopping them from working with them & selling tractors & machines & if JD do not like it to bad as there is no way the would sack the only Scottish dealership they have, lots of way around it have a hire fleet with lots of low houred tractor etc on it , Frank Rowland sells as many Jd tractor & JCB forklifts all most new than most dealers put together, things will move on & if JD think it is the right thing to do for there company good on them, lots more will do the same in years to come it is a sign of the times.

 

[Chae1]

Was it not the Grandfather selling land for oil drilling in Aberdeen that set the sons all up with their farms and businesses.

No, don't think so. There father Harry was in a rented farm on local Crathes estate. Neil who has h.r.n still farms there. I worked there as a student for harvest for a summer.

They had no golden spoon handed to them. They've got where they are through hard work.

My father always remembers Harry, telling him its not what you could be doing with, its what you can do without.

When my father started farming, Harry gave him a extra tractor for free in springtime.

H.R.N stands for Harry. Rodger, Neil. Harry has netherton, Rodger sharmans, Neil HRN, earnvale.

The younger generation are taking over now. Don't do much business with them now apart from bits for KV plough.

This shows I'm wrong! Never realised they farm over a million acres in 48 countries! ?. Business started in England

https://hrn-tractors.com/about

 

[puntabrava]

No, don't think so. There father Harry was in a rented farm on local Crathes estate. Neil who has h.r.n still farms there. I worked there as a student for harvest for a summer.

They had no golden spoon handed to them. They've got where they are through hard work.

My father always remembers Harry, telling him its not what you could be doing with, its what you can do without.

When my father started farming, Harry gave him a extra tractor for free in springtime.

H.R.N stands for Harry. Rodger, Neil. Harry has netherton, Rodger sharmans, Neil HRN, earnvale.

The younger generation are taking over now. Don't do much business with them now apart from bits for KV plough.

Would you believe me if I said it was Neil Barclay that told me that, maybe I misinterpreted him.

 

[njneer]

Two families independent from each other

As for the export bit

All dealers rely on some export as the used market in the uk can not provide enough customers

Yes of course they do but mainly for second hand machines , I think the issue was selling new tractors into foreign markets because the currency difference allows for greater margin and increased their numbers , but selling new into other established foreign JD dealers areas was obviously affecting their figures for the year.
Customer can buy where they like obviously but it is frowned upon within the JD Heirarchy.

 

[Chae1]

Would you believe me if I said it was Neil Barclay that told me that, maybe I misinterpreted him.

Yes, i could easily be wrong. His father definitely farmed locally. He could easily have bought some land and sold it for a big margin to a oil company.

Did they ever sort out the belt on that swathwilter you bought from them?

 

[Oscar]

It got mentioned earlier and I hope I m not revealing company secrets[I m just a customer for 24 years] but the way Bateman organise the service side is that they have around 14 vans and guys [taken more on recently]. Around half will return thursday evening or first thing friday to Devon and spend friday at the factory , restocking vans, doing work on vans [ washing,tyres/service], pick up work plans from office for the next week and maybe do a local job if time. Those guys then go home but leave either Sunday night or very early monday morning to be on farm by 7.30-8 o clock monday morning even if the job is Scotland !!
The other half don t return home until friday evening , Saturday morning. They then spend Monday at the factory doing the same , restocking etc and will then leave monday late pm/evening to be on farm Tuesday first thing. So basically the fitters and vans stay away for overlapping 5 /6 days and stay in Band B/pubs overnight.
Alot of the work is routine services and NSTS testing but if a breakdown is reported then John at the factory will contact the fitter[ who ever he thinks is closes or best for the job] who will drop his routine job to go to breakdown. If parts are needed then they are sent direct to farm by courier for next morning or if urgent , Bateman will send the part in a car/van driven by whoever they can get to do the job so it arrives quickly.It maybe the fitter reports fault and parts needed but then returns to routine jobs before returning next day to do repair .
Bateman also have Anglian Sprayers and APH who will have SOME stock spare parts but big things like wheel motors etc will be sent from Devon.
Being a family firm with their name on the machines and knowing spraying is time and weather critical is why they really look after their customers . The key man other than the fitters themselves is John at the factory who s job I would not like or be able to cope with [if you ve been to the factory office, sticky postscript notes abound !!!]. Also the other three/four men on the end of the phones giving advice and taking calls can really help with suggestions on how you might be able to keep going even if parts of the machine are broke.
As I said , I ve been a customer for a long time and they do really look after me and I thank them for the service. In some ways, as I m only an hour from the factory by car , I get poorer service than someone in Lincolnshire during the week as all fitters will be up country however John will send a "factory" guy up or I can and do sometimes drive my machine to the factory if thats needed to make it quicker or easier.
Not saying John Deere or any of the big guns can do as Bateman but think we will see more guys in the future working out of vans and staying away from home and getting restocked / parts by overnight courier services rather than working out of a local base. Can also see very soon, salesman coming to you speccing up and pricing machines but actually living other side of country maybe. I know that with good web sites and info on the internet, I can spec up and price a lot of machines now fairly accurately and the human element is only for things like specialist knowledge and discounts or finance terms. Does not need to be a local to do those things.Things are going to change for sure, there is too much cost with the present system just as there are in farming.

 

[Dealer]

Yes of course they do but mainly for second hand machines , I think the issue was selling new tractors into foreign markets because the currency difference allows for greater margin and increased their numbers , but selling new into other established foreign JD dealers areas was obviously affecting their figures for the year.
Customer can buy where they like obviously but it is frowned upon within the JD Heirarchy.

If they had been doing that I think termination notice is 3 months

They have been given 12 months notice so I presume then it's not a breach of terms.

I am fully aware of the terms of selling of selling abroad

Several years ago a European discount strategy was established and this meant that the base discounts in hhd uk were reduced to bring them inline with europe

The pound euro has been similar so not much advantage

Its the hire fleets that allow these sales as you have access to new models with fleet discounts

Perhaps it could be the strength of the export company outside of sharmans that is the contentious issue, I have no proof or knowledge but a educated guess.

 

[quattro]

Barclays as a group will be one of the biggest second hand buyers of deeres in the country probably which also keeps s/hand prices up

 

[Sid]

It got mentioned earlier and I hope I m not revealing company secrets[I m just a customer for 24 years] but the way Bateman organise the service side is that they have around 14 vans and guys [taken more on recently]. Around half will return thursday evening or first thing friday to Devon and spend friday at the factory , restocking vans, doing work on vans [ washing,tyres/service], pick up work plans from office for the next week and maybe do a local job if time. Those guys then go home but leave either Sunday night or very early monday morning to be on farm by 7.30-8 o clock monday morning even if the job is Scotland !!
The other half don t return home until friday evening , Saturday morning. They then spend Monday at the factory doing the same , restocking etc and will then leave monday late pm/evening to be on farm Tuesday first thing. So basically the fitters and vans stay away for overlapping 5 /6 days and stay in Band B/pubs overnight.
Alot of the work is routine services and NSTS testing but if a breakdown is reported then John at the factory will contact the fitter[ who ever he thinks is closes or best for the job] who will drop his routine job to go to breakdown. If parts are needed then they are sent direct to farm by courier for next morning or if urgent , Bateman will send the part in a car/van driven by whoever they can get to do the job so it arrives quickly.It maybe the fitter reports fault and parts needed but then returns to routine jobs before returning next day to do repair .
Bateman also have Anglian Sprayers and APH who will have SOME stock spare parts but big things like wheel motors etc will be sent from Devon.
Being a family firm with their name on the machines and knowing spraying is time and weather critical is why they really look after their customers . The key man other than the fitters themselves is John at the factory who s job I would not like or be able to cope with [if you ve been to the factory office, sticky postscript notes abound !!!]. Also the other three/four men on the end of the phones giving advice and taking calls can really help with suggestions on how you might be able to keep going even if parts of the machine are broke.
As I said , I ve been a customer for a long time and they do really look after me and I thank them for the service. In some ways, as I m only an hour from the factory by car , I get poorer service than someone in Lincolnshire during the week as all fitters will be up country however John will send a "factory" guy up or I can and do sometimes drive my machine to the factory if thats needed to make it quicker or easier.
Not saying John Deere or any of the big guns can do as Bateman but think we will see more guys in the future working out of vans and staying away from home and getting restocked / parts by overnight courier services rather than working out of a local base. Can also see very soon, salesman coming to you speccing up and pricing machines but actually living other side of country maybe. I know that with good web sites and info on the internet, I can spec up and price a lot of machines now fairly accurately and the human element is only for things like specialist knowledge and discounts or finance terms. Does not need to be a local to do those things.Things are going to change for sure, there is too much cost with the present system just as there are in farming.

I had a long message left on the answer machine one day for Batemans, number similar, so I rang the guy back and told him he had wrong number. My mum and Mrs Bateman were good friends before Mum passed away, and I went to playgroup with Bateman junior.
They have built up from scratch a great company that is a credit to them after the trials and tribulations of the early years!

 

[Dealer]

Barclays as a group will be one of the biggest second hand buyers of deeres in the country probably which also keeps s/hand prices up

Yes but all that is traded outside of the deere franchise so deere can't get any benefit from that business and cant make them reinvest the profits into the franchised companies.

 

[Clive]

Sad to see this

suspect it’s all part of the long term plan that most manufacturers have to sell direct to consumers - there really is no need for any dealers / shops etc these days it’s just a hang over from the past pre internet

The future for all retail (not just ag) is physical showrooms and service centres but sales will be a virtual thing ........ maybe a decade away ?

 

[quattro]

Yes but all that is traded outside of the deere franchise so deere can't get any benefit from that business and cant make them reinvest the profits into the franchised companies.

Agree but why should they,keeping s/h price up helps sell their new tractors might not do Deere any good long term

 

[Honest john]

Well Class do it in UK with few outlets. So do Agrifac. Bateman. Grimme.

From here I can access 7 JD dealers in an hrs drive.

I could get quotes from Ben Burgess, Doubledays, Sharman's, Tuckwells, Farrols.
That in itself is a problem to JD.

When they started in uk they built up the sales by flooding the place with dealers.
Now they have the business they can slim back as kit gets bigger & farms less.

 

[Farma Parma]

Well Class do it in UK with few outlets. So do Agrifac. Bateman. Grimme.

From here I can access 7 JD dealers in an hrs drive.

I could get quotes from Ben Burgess, Doubledays, Sharman's, Tuckwells, Farrols.
That in itself is a problem to JD.

When they started in uk they built up the sales by flooding the place with dealers.
Now they have the business they can slim back as kit gets bigger & farms less.

Be a real shame if all of them 7 dealers thought aye stuff ya mr JD where does that leave there best selling brand in the UK

 

[Farma Parma]

There is currently a shift about of Kuhn & Horsch Dealers in Northumberland
Implements isnt as major a shift as mainline Tractors tho id have thought >?

 

[Farma Parma]

Agree but why should they,keeping s/h price up helps sell their new tractors might not do Deere any good long term

Funny there is another German brand that like there used models kept high also. Poss making you think the new price was then justifiable

 

[Jato]

As long as people trade in used equipment there will still be dealers.
Manufacturers do not like trading things in.
Not much traded in in the household scene.

 

[Dealer]

Well Class do it in UK with few outlets. So do Agrifac. Bateman. Grimme.

From here I can access 7 JD dealers in an hrs drive.

I could get quotes from Ben Burgess, Doubledays, Sharman's, Tuckwells, Farrols.
That in itself is a problem to JD.

When they started in uk they built up the sales by flooding the place with dealers.
Now they have the business they can slim back as kit gets bigger & farms less.

Yes but your nearest dealer will be given the best discount to prevent the others under cutting them

Your price is fixed as its effectively a monopoly

Less dealers less choice less competition
The ones that pay the most are the brand loyal customers