John Deere reducing dealerships

[Wombat]

HRN Tractors becomes Kubota full liner

Following on from the John Deere dealer shake-up in Scotland, HRN Tractors has been appointed a Kubota full-line dealer. It will retail and service the agricultural range of tractors and implements from its six depots (Insch, Turriff, Kinloss, Muir of Ord, Caithness and Balbeggie). HRN will also...

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[Albertan]

So what brand of ploughs/cultivation/grassland and fert spreaders will netherton go after
another orange product!!!!!

Kuhn to Netherton, logical replacement for KV and they are tied to many Deere dealers in England and Sherriffs etc. Then New Holland dealers maybe push the New Holland grass kit more and pick up something like Sulky for spreaders and some tillage and/or Pottinger?

 

[njneer]

Erm, you don’t stay in business and keep the jobs of hundreds by being romantic and historical. You do it be being sharp

Entirely my point , two birds one stone , taking the best known brand in tillage from a rival , who just also happens to have taken over the franchise you have just lost / gave up ( depending on your enterpretation) also a construction and ground cate franchise , expanding into other sectors out-with AG .
I don’t think for a minute the tractors were the main attraction here more of an added bonus.
I am sure they will sell some but that the other parts of the package will be the most lucrative.
The margins on farm implements , construction and ground care make selling tractors look crazy in comparison and I am sure they could easily survive without a tractor franchise.

 

[fermerboy]

Have they sold many tractors?

The usual suspects had a demo around here when they first took on dealership.

But none sold in this area that I'm aware of.

No Kubotas round here that I can think of, do see one go past occasionally pulling a trailer. There may be a few more nearer the coast I suppose.

I know nothing about them but cant stand the god awful colour scheme.

Maybe, once the brainwashed JD owners realise that most engines dont need regular head gaskets, and with favourable pricing, HRN might shift a few.
If Kubota provide Japanese car type reliability they will sell, dont have to go far on here to see folk moaning about breakdowns.

 

[Willie adie]

Have they sold many tractors?

The usual suspects had a demo around here when they first took on dealership.

But none sold in this area that I'm aware of.

I know of one owner in Huntly area and I saw one in amongst tatties around Gartly, two different tractors.

 

[Top Tip.]

I know of one owner in Huntly area and I saw one in amongst tatties around Gartly, two different tractors.

Three at least in this area ,including two with a contractor.

 

[Chae1]

Will be difficult to break into a existing market where current tractors are pretty good. How many people have good reason to change brands.

Can't see many JD owners swapping to kubota.

The main thing is be good for staff. They'll keep there jobs.

The chap Hamish that does kv stuff for HRN is excellent. He came out and sorted out my plough one Saturday morning. Not many people like him left.

Think its Davie not Hamish!

Hamish is his brother.

 

[quattro]

You have to feel for Chris Powell who is selling Kubota just now. He has tried hard to get an unknown tractor brand on to farms, and as soon as the brand is starting to get known and accepted they up and off to HRN.
I know its business but still....

Pity for am Philip they had kubota at a couple of depot aswell I think

 

[Jdunn55]

Will be difficult to break into a existing market where current tractors are pretty good. How many people have good reason to change brands.

Can't see many JD owners swapping to kubota.

The main thing is be good for staff. They'll keep there jobs.

The chap Hamish that does kv stuff for HRN is excellent. He came out and sorted out my plough one Saturday morning. Not many people like him left.

I think price and dealer are the main reason people change brands. Those that like netherton may be tempted with the kubota, those that are fed up with jd prices will also be tempted.
I think the fact that a big dealership has taken them on after being jd might help with the image of kubota being a 'serious' brand as well

 

[Flyingscotsman]

Entirely my point , two birds one stone , taking the best known brand in tillage from a rival , who just also happens to have taken over the franchise you have just lost / gave up ( depending on your enterpretation) also a construction and ground cate franchise , expanding into other sectors out-with AG .
I don’t think for a minute the tractors were the main attraction here more of an added bonus.
I am sure they will sell some but that the other parts of the package will be the most lucrative.
The margins on farm implements , construction and ground care make selling tractors look crazy in comparison and I am sure they could easily survive without a tractor franchise.

Couldn’t agree more . If you were starting out fresh retailing to Agriculture, a mainline tractor would be pretty low on your list. These compact and ground care tractors/equipment are profitable and the margins achieved are hugely attractive.
With HRN also owning one of the most prolific used machinery businesses (Agri Trac Exports) with a solid European footprint , they are in a fantastic position. Not to forget all the insider knowledge they can accumulate by underwriting tractors and equipment from other dealers......
The new side is not where it’s at these days, it’s how the used equipment is re-marketed and you need deep pockets and a global presence - HRN has both.

 

[Ducati899]

It's the same with Claas !

scare you? Cause it’s scared me

 

[jondear]

scare you? Cause it’s scared me

Yep you want to pm @Beetlejuice

 

[hally]

Even worse, I have a mate that tried to swap a 2 yr old Claas for a jd.....bloody scary

 

[Cowabunga]

HRN Tractors becomes Kubota full liner

Following on from the John Deere dealer shake-up in Scotland, HRN Tractors has been appointed a Kubota full-line dealer. It will retail and service the agricultural range of tractors and implements from its six depots (Insch, Turriff, Kinloss, Muir of Ord, Caithness and Balbeggie). HRN will also...

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It amazes me that the traditional big tractor names are facilitating the way for rivals like Kubota to gain substantial market share by giving them all the big experienced established dealers they could possibly ever have hoped for, all on a plate.
These big brands must be run by complete muppets.
What do they expect their ex-dealers to do other than set up with alternative keen franchises that will inevitably take a substantial slice of their customers with them to their new brands?

I suspect that what they, the bigger brands, are doing is to push their puppy-dog, most cooperative dealers, into expanding and so much debt owed to their motherships that the big brands more or less take control of those dealerships while leaving the owners and directors with the debt, the stocking costs of new and used machinery and very little else but a wage. The big brands are effectively 'vertically integrating'. Not getting rid of the middle man [dealer] but taking almost complete control of him by stealth and debt. Debt that will be mostly due to expansion and overstocking with large expensive equipment, both new and used. The big brand will then offer something like 'financial managers' that will oversee the management of every aspect of the business in accordance with the will of 'big brother'.

Maybe I'm imagining all of this or that it is mostly just plain wrong. All I can say is that is looks that way from where I'm stood for more than one brand except that one stands out above all the others at the speed of progress. We shall see whether they retain their respective market shares over the next few turbulent years for farming globally.

 

[MrNuts]

Manufacturers sack dealers when the dealer ticks two of the following boxes.

1- Can't Sell
2- Can't Pay
3- Nightmare to deal with.

A manufacturer will live with someone who can't pay but is good at selling and is a nice bloke, likewise if they're a nightmare but sell kit and pay their bills. But if they can't sell or pay, or can't pay and a nightmare then they go, sometimes they tick all 3. Once they're gone they become someone else's problem.

Overriding this these days is succession, manufacturers look at where the future of the business is and where it's going, lack of this means that they tend to let them go before they die or retire.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Manufacturers sack dealers when the dealer ticks two of the following boxes.

1- Can't Sell
2- Can't Pay
3- Nightmare to deal with.

A manufacturer will live with someone who can't pay but is good at selling and is a nice bloke, likewise if they're a nightmare but sell kit and pay their bills. But if they can't sell or pay, or can't pay and a nightmare then they go, sometimes they tick all 3. Once they're gone they become someone else's problem.

Overriding this these days is succession, manufacturers look at where the future of the business is and where it's going, lack of this means that they tend to let them go before they die or retire.

If you had read the whole thread you would realise there is rather more to it than that.

 

[Willie adie]

Ah but kubota surely dont realise farming is unsustainable North of Stonehaven

 

[MrNuts]

If you had read the whole thread you would realise there is rather more to it than that.

I was replying to Cowabunga post about why manufacturers sack dealers.
But there really isn’t, this is the bones of dealer development.

 

[Robt]

I was replying to Cowabunga post about why manufacturers sack dealers.
But there really isn’t, this is the bones of dealer development.

You are correct on that!

 

[Battlefield Machinery]

No Kubotas round here that I can think of, do see one go past occasionally pulling a trailer. There may be a few more nearer the coast I suppose.

I know nothing about them but cant stand the god awful colour scheme.

Maybe, once the brainwashed JD owners realise that most engines dont need regular head gaskets, and with favourable pricing, HRN might shift a few.
If Kubota provide Japanese car type reliability they will sell, dont have to go far on here to see folk moaning about breakdowns.

how about this colour?!