John Redwoods Letter to the Attorney General

Scribus

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MPs want to remain in the EU because it shifts responsibility away from them and they can always find a fudging job with the EU and be paid huge salaries and pensions. They all need to be sacked.
Totally agree, I've been saying that about Irish politicians for years, the EU relieves them of all responsibility while they keep taking the money, or so they thought until the water protests hit them. But they are now settling back into old habits.
 

Danllan

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If he is then it don't look much of a deal for the uk
I think @Danllan read up on this quite well?
I've read it several times now, and have followed up about 20% of the references and corollaries - those I think that are or are likely to be detrimental to the UK's interest.

Redwood is, unsurprisingly, entirely correct in what he states. But what else would you expect from a remainer PM and her federal EU-advocating acolyte Mr Robbins?

Most of us - me included - who favour Brexit have been very naïve in assuming that a majority vote for Brexit in the referendum would mean that we will leave the EU; the europhilic parts of the establishment have done and are doing their best to thwart the majority's wishes.

The key was, and remains, the PM. Had we had either a pro-Brexit PM, or a remainer who acted honestly, the situation would now be entirely different. As it stands, the situation is the result of collusion between TM and the EU, the same game they have played before elsewhere, obfuscate, procrastinate, digress etc. all to grind down their opponents and postpone the course of action they least want.

TM's deal is, manifestly, awful for the UK, it was designed to repulse those wanting to leave and remain, thus ensuring its being unlikely to succeed. But it has several flaws, from the TM / EU perspective, paramount amongst which are that it requires good faith to be exercised by both parties - how could it not include such a requirement?

The thing is... both constitutionally here and under precedents already established in international law, if a UK administration can set out a good case for the EU's not 'playing ball', said government could quite legitimately walk away.

That would require a decent Prime Minister to take office, but that has been know to happen. :)
 

Scribus

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Central Atlantic
I've read it several times now, and have followed up about 20% of the references and corollaries - those I think that are or are likely to be detrimental to the UK's interest.

Redwood is, unsurprisingly, entirely correct in what he states. But what else would you expect from a remainer PM and her federal EU-advocating acolyte Mr Robbins?

Most of us - me included - who favour Brexit have been very naïve in assuming that a majority vote for Brexit in the referendum would mean that we will leave the EU; the europhilic parts of the establishment have done and are doing their best to thwart the majority's wishes.

The key was, and remains, the PM. Had we had either a pro-Brexit PM, or a remainer who acted honestly, the situation would now be entirely different. As it stands, the situation is the result of collusion between TM and the EU, the same game they have played before elsewhere, obfuscate, procrastinate, digress etc. all to grind down their opponents and postpone the course of action they least want.

TM's deal is, manifestly, awful for the UK, it was designed to repulse those wanting to leave and remain, thus ensuring its being unlikely to succeed. But it has several flaws, from the TM / EU perspective, paramount amongst which are that it requires good faith to be exercised by both parties - how could it not include such a requirement?

The thing is... both constitutionally here and under precedents already established in international law, if a UK administration can set out a good case for the EU's not 'playing ball', said government could quite legitimately walk away.

That would require a decent Prime Minister to take office, but that has been know to happen. :)
Another ray of hope is that Farage gathers enough MPs at the next election to bugger up any chance of a government being formed that isn't pro brexit.
 
Another ray of hope is that Farage gathers enough MPs at the next election to bugger up any chance of a government being formed that isn't pro brexit.
The next election will not be good for anyone. The tories will be smashed and Labour will gain seats by saying they will offer a second referendum.

I don't know much about the current crop of Labour MPs but I do think they would sell their own mothers if it meant they can get into power. And believe me, I reckon they will put in place some pretty controversial policies that will gain public support despite what any of us on here might think of them...
 
The next election will not be good for anyone. The tories will be smashed and Labour will gain seats by saying they will offer a second referendum.

I don't know much about the current crop of Labour MPs but I do think they would sell their own mothers if it meant they can get into power. And believe me, I reckon they will put in place some pretty controversial policies that will gain public support despite what any of us on here might think of them...

Depends on what happens with The Independant Group.

If they can split Labour's vote then it could work out a little "Better". But following on from what are saying about Labour selling their own mothers, I wouldn't put it past ex Labour TIGs to hope back into bed with Corbyn.

A Corbyn government could bring about total destablilisation of the UK peoples.
 

fudge

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Lincolnshire.
Depends on what happens with The Independant Group.

If they can split Labour's vote then it could work out a little "Better". But following on from what are saying about Labour selling their own mothers, I wouldn't put it past ex Labour TIGs to hope back into bed with Corbyn.

A Corbyn government could bring about total destablilisation of the UK peoples.
Rubbish. A Corbyn government would be more stable than the flip flopping idiocy of the May government. Who are in danger of breaking the UK up. Of course getting rid of the Celtic fringe suits the little englanders down to the ground.
 

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
And Redwoods blog entry today poses some interesting questions. Personally I am warming to the idea of EU elections in UK. Will make all the protagonists engage with the public again.
 
Rubbish. A Corbyn government would be more stable than the flip flopping idiocy of the May government. Who are in danger of breaking the UK up. Of course getting rid of the Celtic fringe suits the little englanders down to the ground.

No way I would accept a Corbyn government.

I'd handle it exactly as the Remoaners have handled Brexit .. another vote required when we know the full facts of what the Terrorist Sympathiser actually does rather than what he puts in his fake manifesto .. which he has already reneged on since the last election.

Keep your racist slur to yourself.
 

fudge

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
No way I would accept a Corbyn government.

I'd handle it exactly as the Remoaners have handled Brexit .. another vote required when we know the full facts of what the Terrorist Sympathiser actually does rather than what he puts in his fake manifesto .. which he has already reneged on since the last election.

Keep your racist slur to yourself.
So if there were a Corbyn government what would you do? What racist slur?
 

Henarar

Member
No way I would accept a Corbyn government.

I'd handle it exactly as the Remoaners have handled Brexit .. another vote required when we know the full facts of what the Terrorist Sympathiser actually does rather than what he puts in his fake manifesto .. which he has already reneged on since the last election.

Keep your racist slur to yourself.
what makes you call that a racist slur @wanton dwarf ?
 

bobk

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Location
stafford
Rubbish. A Corbyn government would be more stable than the flip flopping idiocy of the May government. Who are in danger of breaking the UK up. Of course getting rid of the Celtic fringe suits the little englanders down to the ground.
A Corbyn govt would be a national disaster , hardly bares thinking about .
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
He ain't winning a GE , but could cause havoc in Brussels , which would be entertaining if nowt else .

Well by this poll he would but I might just suggest that the level of support is only in a situation where it is safe to support him:whistle:
Actually had this conversation with my acct back in 2013. Would vote ukip in a by but not in a ge
 

bobk

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stafford
Well by this poll he would but I might just suggest that the level of support is only in a situation where it is safe to support him:whistle:
Actually had this conversation with my acct back in 2013. Would vote ukip in a by but not in a ge
I think the turnout for Euro elections could be zilch , apart from @Bomber_Harris , but then again every village must have an idiot .
 

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