Joseph Robinette Biden Jr..........will make America great again.

I have no idea as you are a long way from where I live!! But from reading the odd thing over past few years thought the closing of Keystone was more about sending a signal to the US and wider that exploiting shale oil is not on - to meet climate change objectives the price of fossil fuel has to rise to send signals to consumers to switch wholesale to renewables. The last few years the US has sucked in cheap shale oil - and for good economic reason. I presume this is the start of Biden administration rolling back some or all of the environmental deregulation of the Trump years and moving towards a different strategy.

The push by the previous administration on fracking has given US consumers cheap natural gas and cheap fuel............plus energy independence.
US also produces huge amounts of electricity from turbines and tens of thousands of acres of solar energy.
Not sure why the cost of energy has to rise, people are not going to switch wholesale to batteries, still need gasoline,diesel for decades to come.........it will be a blend of energy but needs to stay competitive. If you jack up the price of energy you lose your edge, lose jobs, everyone loses.
 

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The push by the previous administration on fracking has given US consumers cheap natural gas and cheap fuel............plus energy independence.
US also produces huge amounts of electricity from turbines and tens of thousands of acres of solar energy.
Not sure why the cost of energy has to rise, people are not going to switch wholesale to batteries, still need gasoline,diesel for decades to come.........it will be a blend of energy but needs to stay competitive. If you jack up the price of energy you lose your edge, lose jobs, everyone loses.


Hi RP. Thank you for your reply.

Yes, one of the US success stories is energy independence. And I was possibly to strong on the comment about increasing cost of energy. But signals do need to be sent to consumers, not only in US but here as well - but that is for another day and am sure thread(s).

Do correct me but if I recall before Mr Trump came to power the issue of the three pipelines from the Alberta and Dakota tar sand fields dogged the Obama administration.? Biden had no option did he? With his credentials for climate?

An article I happened to read a few days ago commented the Biden pre administration team had spoken with unions about reskilling those workers into solar / wind etc with same pay rate as the Biden administration attempts to repurpose the economy. Same is and will happen here. Brave new World. As Biden's administration is likely to rejoin the Paris climate accord will be interesting to see how things develop.

As a complete aside and coincidentally on our Radio 4 news this evening at 10 pm was an interview with the Govenor of Colorado.

Regards,
 
Hi RP. Thank you for your reply.

Yes, one of the US success stories is energy independence. And I was possibly to strong on the comment about increasing cost of energy. But signals do need to be sent to consumers, not only in US but here as well - but that is for another day and am sure thread(s).

Do correct me but if I recall before Mr Trump came to power the issue of the three pipelines from the Alberta and Dakota tar sand fields dogged the Obama administration.? Biden had no option did he? With his credentials for climate?

An article I happened to read a few days ago commented the Biden pre administration team had spoken with unions about reskilling those workers into solar / wind etc with same pay rate as the Biden administration attempts to repurpose the economy. Same is and will happen here. Brave new World. As Biden's administration is likely to rejoin the Paris climate accord will be interesting to see how things develop.

As a complete aside and coincidentally on our Radio 4 news this evening at 10 pm was an interview with the Govenor of Colorado.

Regards,

Sounds good, shut down big oil.......go make batteries/ solar panels etc.
Trouble is that economics get in the way, the solar/wind industries are already fully staffed so when you have shut down domestic gas and oil where can you deploy these thousands of people on high paying salaries..........you cannot.............I did not think the energy industry was that heavily unionized........maybe oil baron could comment.

Colorado consists of two states, the millions who live along the front range of the Rockies............and the rest. (total population around 5.5m)
Don't get me wrong, Colorado is the most beautiful state in the nation but like most rural areas we do not have much in common with the world of Gov Polis.
 
The success of a president is measured by history well after they have gone
Time changes the perception/distortion of history....
While it can be debated that Trump may be only remembered by his failure with dealing with Covid 19 but a bigger problem looming is how the new president and Democrat administration deal with China, as just going down the "diplomatic route" isn't going to cut it. With China's push in Asia possibly invading Taiwan and any retreat from the Philippines or South Korea by the US will cause major problems not just for the US but other countries like Australia and Japan.
 

oil barron

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Sounds good, shut down big oil.......go make batteries/ solar panels etc.
Trouble is that economics get in the way, the solar/wind industries are already fully staffed so when you have shut down domestic gas and oil where can you deploy these thousands of people on high paying salaries..........you cannot.............I did not think the energy industry was that heavily unionized........maybe oil baron could comment.

Colorado consists of two states, the millions who live along the front range of the Rockies............and the rest. (total population around 5.5m)
Don't get me wrong, Colorado is the most beautiful state in the nation but like most rural areas we do not have much in common with the world of Gov Polis.

Production operations are somewhat unionized depending on the state. Drilling doesn’t have any union representation.

Pretty depressing first day. You take on a 30 year lease on government land and then with one stroke of a pen it becomes worthless. Every barrel I don’t dig out of the ground, has to come in a super tanker from Saudi Arabia through the Golden Gate Bridge. Not sure how that helps the climate, environment or promoting liberal ideas around the world. I fully support renewable energy, but this isn’t helping things. This is not a communist country, so the government cannot take those workers and demand that a solar company hires them at a wage they demand. Won’t be long before they ban keeping cattle on federal land. Then we will just import beef from the rainforests of Brazil while our own forrests burn down due to the abundenet fuel on the Forrest floors not being cleaned out. Out of sight out of mind.
 
Time changes the perception/distortion of history....
While it can be debated that Trump may be only remembered by his failure with dealing with Covid 19 but a bigger problem looming is how the new president and Democrat administration deal with China, as just going down the "diplomatic route" isn't going to cut it. With China's push in Asia possibly invading Taiwan and any retreat from the Philippines or South Korea by the US will cause major problems not just for the US but other countries like Australia and Japan.

Trump would most certainly stand up to China, biden...........don't count on it.
 
Production operations are somewhat unionized depending on the state. Drilling doesn’t have any union representation.

Pretty depressing first day. You take on a 30 year lease on government land and then with one stroke of a pen it becomes worthless. Every barrel I don’t dig out of the ground, has to come in a super tanker from Saudi Arabia through the Golden Gate Bridge. Not sure how that helps the climate, environment or promoting liberal ideas around the world. I fully support renewable energy, but this isn’t helping things. This is not a communist country, so the government cannot take those workers and demand that a solar company hires them at a wage they demand. Won’t be long before they ban keeping cattle on federal land. Then we will just import beef from the rainforests of Brazil while our own forrests burn down due to the abundenet fuel on the Forrest floors not being cleaned out. Out of sight out of mind.

A black day for America.
 

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