June 2022 SFI standards and payment rates

E_B

Member
Location
Norfolk
What an ungodly shower of horrendous shite. It's either ELMS or carbon payments is how it reads, not both. They really don't want farming in this country anymore. At a time when Europe is finding extra finance to support farmers trying to fill the looming production void. The most contemptible sacks of snake faeces in charge of UK farming.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Not the easiest read, I have to agree.... :unsure:
Had an email from a non farmer landlady today who we rent a bit of grassland from. She'd had an email from RPA and didn't understand a word of it. She said everything was horrendously complicated from RPA. I have to translate it for her and hold her hand.

It shouldn't be like that.
Not actually read that as a matter of fact in the Rules to be honest. Sure thing it will be a sod to try and make sense of a mix of SFI and water Co schemes...
It's headed "Interaction with other schemes" or something along those lines.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Here you go in all it bullsh☆t glory... yes lots of us feel like that😉😡
:mad: Clearly an understanding of economics is not a prerequisite for a job at the RPA. Someone needs to give them a clear explanation of the difference between the words inflation and deflation :banghead:

Not sure I will waste time reading this one if they are going to keep introducing new versions :banghead:

scanned over parts this is an absolute joke now. Seriously its not April 1st just yet is it??

Intermediate
Requires spreading of Organic matter on 30% of the land each year. Can I stick a 10kg bag of wood pellets in the fert hopper and then drive really really fast..... :unsure:

20% to have multi species cover WTF? No Just no. That is not even up for consideration unless they are at least supplying the seed and drilling costs. Can not destroy before 1st March unless you will certainly drill within 6 weeks.. :facepalm:

"Well established" here that probably means being drilled up first week of September then.... :rolleyes:


I am coming to the opinion that there should be a national agreement by all farmers to reject this scheme as unworkable and unrewarding
 
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J 1177

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Durham, UK
I'm sure Janet Hughes and her DEFRA staff are very excited and full of self congratulations over all their toil and hard work rolling out this incredible new farm support package , mean while back in the real world, f##k all that bull sh!t I'll farm as best I can without it
Pretty much. I think its going to be an unmitigated disaster for defra in the long run, they just cant see it.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Had an email from a non farmer landlady today who we rent a bit of grassland from. She'd had an email from RPA and didn't understand a word of it. She said everything was horrendously complicated from RPA. I have to translate it for her and hold her hand.

It shouldn't be like that.

It's headed "Interaction with other schemes" or something along those lines.
I have seen and read the document as a skip read only. However, it would appear that a pre agreement check from RPA woould be required to cover one's back before going into an Agreement...

Totally agree that the RPA need to get their act in order, they appear to have been getting worse in the levels of complexity and waffle in their communications, of late.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Am I correct in thinking you can't claim SFI if you've sold your carbon credits?

Is that right?

Private sector schemes​

In 2022, you can enter the same area of land into an SFI standards agreement and a private sector scheme arrangement, such as carbon trading or payments for natural flood management.

This is only possible if you are not being paid twice for similar environmental land management actions legally required in your SFI standards agreement and the private sector scheme.

You also need to meet the rules and requirements of the private sector scheme, including:

  • whether the environmental outcome is additional to what you’re delivering in the SFI standards agreement (‘additionality’)
  • verification of the environmental outcomes
The approach to private sector schemes will be reviewed by Defra annually.

@Clive you might want to read this. It's a stinker.
 
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steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
:mad: Clearly an understanding of economics is not a prerequisite for a job at the RPA. Someone needs to give them a clear explanation of the difference between the words inflation and deflation :banghead: Not sure I will waste time reading this one if they are going to keep introducing new versions :banghead:

scanned over parts this is an absolute joke now. Seriously its not April 1st just yet is it??
I am coming to the opinion that there should be a national agreement by all farmers to reject this scheme as unworkable and unrewarding
This will probably happen without the need to formalise it ...
 

Fenchurch

Member
Livestock Farmer
Am I correct in thinking you can't claim SFI if you've sold your carbon credits?

Is that right?
I think so, although would be helpful to have it said explicitly. Very frustrating - I don’t think carbon credits are a good option, but haven’t they been promoting them to farmers?
 

4course

Member
Location
north yorks
There must be a farmer as am I ( I mean by a farmer the definition as one who makes living from cultivating or stocking land with farm livestock) out there somewhere who can see a positive in taking up this scheme and who thinks it will enhance his livelihood. If there is could he please tell me what im missing
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
I think so, although would be helpful to have it said explicitly. Very frustrating - I don’t think carbon credits are a good option, but haven’t they been promoting them to farmers?
I'll stick my neck out here.

Are DEFRA and HM Government using farmers to produce carbon credits, then selling them? Is that why we can't do both?
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
There must be a farmer as am I ( I mean by a farmer the definition as one who makes living from cultivating or stocking land with farm livestock) out there somewhere who can see a positive in taking up this scheme and who thinks it will enhance his livelihood. If there is could he please tell me what im missing
If you find him/her, can you let me know who it is. They must be a genius.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield

no you can sell carbon sequestration and still claim SFI

i have just had payment for last years ISO carbon certificates from Agreena and my first SFI quarter payment is imminent following my Jan start date


i may leave SFI pilot however as CSS is looking a better option at the moment
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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    Votes: 78 43.1%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 63 34.8%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 16.6%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 4 2.2%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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