June 2022 SFI standards and payment rates

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
The thing i find intersting is we are a 20% cut this year but if I put all my land into these schemes at the highest rates i cannot get the money to make it back to the amount of the 20% cut therefore who is pocketing the difference?

Won't be doing any of it yet anyway will see where it is in a couple of years
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
The thing i find intersting is we are a 20% cut this year but if I put all my land into these schemes at the highest rates i cannot get the money to make it back to the amount of the 20% cut therefore who is pocketing the difference?

Won't be doing any of it yet anyway will see where it is in a couple of years
So applying for this is worse than doing nowt ?
 

beardface

Member
Location
East Yorkshire
The thing i find intersting is we are a 20% cut this year but if I put all my land into these schemes at the highest rates i cannot get the money to make it back to the amount of the 20% cut therefore who is pocketing the difference?

Won't be doing any of it yet anyway will see where it is in a couple of years

The difference is in grant funding. Up to us whether we put in for it, but it makes up what's left of ag budget.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Same here, who is kidding who £22.00 per hectare £8.90 per acre. Not worth the bother.
It can only work.... such as it ever will, if the applicant can double or treble up the options on a given parcel of land.

However, it looks as if DEFRA have rowed back on what was said a few months ago about "dual" funding from Private sources and SFI....

@Janet Hughes Defra can I ask just what this statement actually means??

You cannot enter land into an SFI standards agreement if you are receiving funding from another source to do similar environmental land management actions on that land.

What is actually meant by this? What does it mean by "similiar"?

I have many hectares growing effectively, conservation type mixtures. These can be sown in the Winter or Spring, to suit my needs and more importantly, my varying soil types. This is to meet a number of requirements that can include, biodiversity, water protection and resilience etc etc.

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Private sector schemes​

In 2022, you can enter the same area of land into an SFI standards agreement and a private sector scheme arrangement, such as carbon trading or payments for natural flood management.
This is only possible if you are not being paid twice for similar environmental land management actions legally required in your SFI standards agreement and the private sector scheme.
You also need to meet the rules and requirements of the private sector scheme, including:
  • whether the environmental outcome is additional to what you’re delivering in the SFI standards agreement (‘additionality’)
  • verification of the environmental outcomes
The approach to private sector schemes will be reviewed by Defra annually.

Other funding sources​

You cannot enter land into an SFI standards agreement if you are receiving funding from another source to do similar environmental land management actions on that land.
This includes funding received from:
  • local authorities
  • National Park Authorities or AONB grant schemes, apart from Farming in Protected Landscapes
  • the Highways Agency
  • the National Lottery
  • a crown body, such as the Duchy of Cornwall
  • energy and water companies
Published 30 March 2022
 
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topground

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
Grassland standard alone looks like a wet dream for a petty bureaucrat enforcing on behalf of Red Tractor or the RPA. So much scope for interpretation, no appeal process that I can find and a wholly inadequate reward for the time and effort involved.
@Janet Hughes Defra any sniff of the involvement of Red Tractor in any of these schemes means I am out and I will not be alone.
 

AndrewM

Member
BASIS
Location
Devon
Does every arable field need 70% cover on it over winter? Or is it 70% or fields need to be planted?.

Can't strip graze stubble turnips over winter if the first is the case
 

Dman2

Member
Location
Durham, UK
Well for those who think it`s not worth the bother, let me apply for you and then you send me the money
we have @ 80 ha, so at £40/ha thats £3200
How long ordinarily in farming does it take to earn that amount, a damn sight longer than applying for SFI
 

topground

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
Well for those who think it`s not worth the bother, let me apply for you and then you send me the money
we have @ 80 ha, so at £40/ha thats £3200
How long ordinarily in farming does it take to earn that amount, a damn sight longer than applying for SFI
That’s £3200 until the RPA inspector comes to find reasons why you have not complied with a vague scheme that you have signed up to but have no right of appeal on matters of interpretation then DEFRA take the money back that you have probably already spent. Minus the costs of soil testing. What’s your hourly rate for the office work and the keyboard bashing necessary to sign up?
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
Well for those who think it`s not worth the bother, let me apply for you and then you send me the money
we have @ 80 ha, so at £40/ha thats £3200
How long ordinarily in farming does it take to earn that amount, a damn sight longer than applying for SFI
3200 over the experience of the last 20yrs for me isn’t worth the pain of dealing with the rpa.
 

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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