Just puncture the boats

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
It's you that's saying they cant! You must have a good reason for it. Or do you just not like brown people?

I'd say they should be able to choose. They may speak English, so a lot easier to find work, provide for their family and contribute to society from a standing start if they choose UK.
Why is it that prats always use the race insult when people disagree with their intention to have open borders, it shows a very naive outlook of how the world works!
 
People fleeing persecution or terror etc do not travel thousands of miles. They pop across the border to neighbouring countries. I remember the UK flew in some few hundred people from Syria once. This was such a waste of resources- that same sum of money could have been better used setting up refugee camps in Turkey and making sure people were safe, fed and sheltered.

These people crossing the channel are economic migrants, not genuine asylum seekers.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
So if there is a safe route you don't think there would be an endless queue of migrants stretching all across the EU wanting to get to the UK, most migrants only speak English as their second language so the UK will always be a preferred destination.
People are totally naive in believing an open ended policy of migrants coming here wouldn't make the situation far far worse.
The vast majority of migrants have no particular interest in going to the UK. But the one that do, just give them a ferry ticket to Dover, this would quickly put the traffickers out of business, save lives and the taxpayer millions. But the UK would then have to have a quick and efficient way of processing the ones who do arrive .
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
We have to recognise several things.
The UK. may not a land of milk and honey , but however badly they are treated here it is always going to be 100 X better than the sh*tholes they have come from.
Secondly nearly all of them have English as their first/ second langauge this makes us far more attractive than Europe ( excepting Ireland of course.)
Thirdly the French DO NOT WANT THEM !
Fourthly the French have been particularly irked lately by British politicians and it is a very good way for them to get one up. in fact killing two birds with one stone.
setting up an easier route for asylum seekers will probably not make a lot of difference, and possibly make it 10 times worse. There are possibly a few million out there would come if they had a chance and the traffickers will continue to promote their services. It was said on the news this morning a boat carries 30 people and they pay £3,000 each.
I guess those Ribs retail at under £5K each including outboard and fuel, so the margins are huge and if the pressure eases there is plenty of room to drop prices so the poorer can make it
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
We have to recognise several things.
The UK. may not a land of milk and honey , but however badly they are treated here it is always going to be 100 X better than the sh*tholes they have come from.
Secondly nearly all of them have English as their first/ second langauge this makes us far more attractive than Europe ( excepting Ireland of course.)
Thirdly the French DO NOT WANT THEM !
Fourthly the French have been particularly irked lately by British politicians and it is a very good way for them to get one up. in fact killing two birds with one stone.
setting up an easier route for asylum seekers will probably not make a lot of difference, and possibly make it 10 times worse. There are possibly a few million out there would come if they had a chance and the traffickers will continue to promote their services. It was said on the news this morning a boat carries 30 people and they pay £3,000 each.
I guess those Ribs retail at under £5K each including outboard and fuel, so the margins are huge and if the pressure eases there is plenty of room to drop prices so the poorer can make it
are they really that desperate if they have 3 grand just for the crossing ? I suspect there would be plenty of British people in this country that wouldn't have 3 grand to their name and are more desperate than these people living in france who have that sort of money
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
The vast majority of migrants have no particular interest in going to the UK. But the one that do, just give them a ferry ticket to Dover, this would quickly put the traffickers out of business, save lives and the taxpayer millions. But the UK would then have to have a quick and efficient way of processing the ones who do arrive .
I reckon just like the majority of the French people we don't particularly want them to arrive thanks, the more it is made easy for them the more that will come, if the French do decide they want them suggest they can keep as many as they like.
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
We have to recognise several things.
The UK. may not a land of milk and honey , but however badly they are treated here it is always going to be 100 X better than the sh*tholes they have come from.
Secondly nearly all of them have English as their first/ second langauge this makes us far more attractive than Europe ( excepting Ireland of course.)
Thirdly the French DO NOT WANT THEM !
Fourthly the French have been particularly irked lately by British politicians and it is a very good way for them to get one up. in fact killing two birds with one stone.
setting up an easier route for asylum seekers will probably not make a lot of difference, and possibly make it 10 times worse. There are possibly a few million out there would come if they had a chance and the traffickers will continue to promote their services. It was said on the news this morning a boat carries 30 people and they pay £3,000 each.
I guess those Ribs retail at under £5K each including outboard and fuel, so the margins are huge and if the pressure eases there is plenty of room to drop prices so the poorer can make it
Think it's pretty insulting to our French friends to call their country a sh!thole, by making it possible to cross the channel the French are in fact encouraging more & more into their country, said on the news today that they are in fact missing out France now & busing themselves straight from Belgium & Germany to the dinghies
 

Oldmacdonald

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Scotland
are they really that desperate if they have 3 grand just for the crossing ? I suspect there would be plenty of British people in this country that wouldn't have 3 grand to their name and are more desperate than these people living in france who have that sort of money

Why should asylum seekers have to be destitute?
If you were fleeing a war torn country, youd probably take your money with you.
 

Oldmacdonald

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Scotland
I reckon just like the majority of the French people we don't particularly want them to arrive thanks, the more it is made easy for them the more that will come, if the French do decide they want them suggest they can keep as many as they like.

You still dont understand.
It is perfectly legal to seek asylum in the uk.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
I really don't think people on here realise how rubbish life is in the countries that these people are coming from. Maybe they aren't being persecuted but life isn't good. If it costs $3000 to get passage often it's funded by other family members at home once someone is working in Europe then the money gets paid back. My wifes family were migrants and the men went first and sent money back home.
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Well then they are exactly the people that should stay & repair their country for the poor buggers they leave behind, if all the brightest & best run away what hope is there for their own country?
That is a valid point, but the issue is often that the regimes they come from target the intelligentsia, who tend to be the healthy and wealthy. Thus they are the runners, of course the poor and uneducated cannot afford to do a runner and probably favour the new regime anyway
 

robs1

Member
Alternatively, we could provide a safe means of reaching the UK to apply for asylum.

Remember, it's not illegal to claim asylum.
Refugees can claim asylum economic migrants cant, friend said he had seen news footage of french police sat in their vans watching migrants getting into boats, it's funny how after yesterdays tragedy they soon found a few traffickers to arrest but havent before,
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
Well then they are exactly the people that should stay & repair their country for the poor buggers they leave behind, if all the brightest & best run away what hope is there for their own country?
You've evidently not travelled much. I don't see how they are going to sort out Libya with its warlords or Syria with its dictator or Afghanistan with the Taliban all countries f...ed up by us. You reap what you sow.
 

robs1

Member
I really don't think people on here realise how rubbish life is in the countries that these people are coming from. Maybe they aren't being persecuted but life isn't good. If it costs $3000 to get passage often it's funded by other family members at home once someone is working in Europe then the money gets paid back. My wifes family were migrants and the men went first and sent money back home.
So let them apply by the formal means not arrive by illegal means, can you name any country that just allows anyone in with no checks, no means of support etc. The UK is full we dont need more people here
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
I really don't think people on here realise how rubbish life is in the countries that these people are coming from. Maybe they aren't being persecuted but life isn't good. If it costs $3000 to get passage often it's funded by other family members at home once someone is working in Europe then the money gets paid back. My wifes family were migrants and the men went first and sent money back home.
Trouble is the more the young & fit are encouraged to leave their country the more that country simply gets worse, it seems a never ending story of countries destroying themselves or our idiot politicians deciding bombing them is for their own good, the more the West will be overcrowded
 

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